Editing Talk:Inviting...Thing

== Name ==

"まねきしもの" is
*not "{{j|真似|mane}}(fake)" + "きし(?)" + "{{j|もの|mono}}(thing)",
*but "{{j|招き|}}(invite, gather)" + "{{j|し|shi}}(An old auxiliary verb, uses for to express past action.)" + "{{j|もの|mono}}(thing)".
So current name should be wrong, and maybe "(Animal) Gathering thing" is better, according to Olimer and Ship's notes.
(Ignored "し". I'm not the specialist of old Japanese, so maybe it's still wrong.) -[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 08:51, March 12, 2021 (EST)

I found another usage of "し", just adding some essence of emotion to your sentence or mainly poetry. So it doesn't have any important information. -[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 09:08, March 12, 2021 (EST)

:How weird. I guess when you say "animal" it's not because it's part of the translation, but it's because in the character notes they talk about animals. Do the characters make it sound like animals are invited, or that they simply gather there? Maybe a way to translate it to bring some emotion would be "Gathering...Thing", as if Olimar knows it's related to gathering, but isn't really sure what. But if you think the し should be completely ignored, then Gathering Thing might work. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 16:53, March 12, 2021 (EST)

::Oh, I get it now. Olimar and the ship say the scent attracts mammals. Olimar has no idea what it is used for. Then in that case, I think the best word here would be "inviting". Although "inviting" is usually used when a person invites another person somewhere, it can also be used for things that capture the attention and attract people. Also, if the し is meant to give a sense of poetry and mystery to the sentence, then I think the final name "Inviting...Thing" would be a perfect fit. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 17:01, March 12, 2021 (EST)

:::That's nice. -[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 21:00, March 12, 2021 (EST)

::Ehhh... I don't like how "Inviting...Thing" went. It's doesn't feel right. I would suggest, "Beckoning Thing" or "Beckoning Platter", since it flows much better and fits the silliness of Pikmin 2's treasure naming theme a bit better.  - Imagine "{{j|まねきねこ|maneki neko}}(Beckoning Cat)" for example. [[User:White_Eye_Pikmin|White_Eye_Pikmin]] ([[User talk:White_Eye_Pikmin|talk]]) 01:45 PM, 12 March, 2022 (CST)

:::Good point with the beckoning cat. However, nothing in the name translates to "platter", correct? So the best translation would be "Beckoning Thing". Still, PortableSunset's point about how there's some form of emotion attached to the word makes me think the ellipsis play an important role... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:12, March 20, 2022 (EDT)

::::Is this し related to the シ in [[Doodlebug|Onara'''shi''']], [[Sandbelching Meerslug|Oosunafura'''shi''']] and [[Quaggled Mireclops|Numaara'''shi''']]? [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 17:40, March 25, 2022 (EDT)

::::: し could be a form of emotion, but it can also mean "to do" or "to emit". So I guess, maybe...? It could be a poetic essence of emotion or it could just be a form of する. I'm incline to believe it is just "{{j|招き|}}(invite, gather)" + "{{j|し|shi}}(An old auxiliary verb, uses for to express past action.)" + "{{j|もの|mono}}(thing)" like PortableSunset said. [[User:White_Eye_Pikmin|White_Eye_Pikmin]] ([[User talk:White_Eye_Pikmin|talk]]) 12:45 PM, 13 April, 2022 (CST)

== Translation Idea ==

My translation is here, please find grammatical mistakes and "Olimarize" or "Shipnize" them. -[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 21:28, March 13, 2021 (EST)
*Olimar
I absolutely do not know the original use, but isn't it a trap for luring mammals? It has an attractive fragrance, that makes me hard to resist...
*Ship
The scent that attracts every mammal. No matter how strong your will, there is something you can never go against in this world! Do not go against your thirst. Now, how much will you serve?