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"You" or "player"?
Hey guys, I was wondering, should we use "you" or "player" in the articles? Player sounds more uh intelligent I guess, and I'd prefer "player" substituted with "you". What do you guys think?--Richard 01:38, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

"This is what a community portal is for. Have on of the synsop do it. --Revan 02:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please put universion things on the main Page. But I also think that we should use Olimar isntead of 'you' or 'player'. Unlike Knights of the Old Republic, you have a name, and its 'Olimar'.

i think we should have a voting page. we will never be able to be a success like wookiepedia. we need to vote for the improvement drive, the featured article, the pikipedian of the month. and we need it linked to the main page. And we need a group of people that are able to contribute and update it weekly --Goolix 00:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree we should be able to vote we should be treated like all the other wikis WE HAVE RIGHTS let us build a community out of this community portal let pikipedia be known though out the internet and make it the fantastic wiki we all want it to be NOW WHOSE WITH ME (insert cricket noise) oh well at least I tried

Treasures
Looking over the treasures list, im finding some glaring differences after the batteries for instance Drone Supplies on my PAL version looks like a packet of Haribo sweets. Can someone confirm for me its a can of deviled ham on the NTSC version? There may also be two different items in the Dream series. This is possibly down to different licensing/recognisable products in different regions. Discordance 01:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, i've mostly sorted this out now at Treasure Hoard, theres a few difficulties with identical names being used for different items and identical items using different names and different locations but ill sort those eventually. Discordance 03:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Naming of Pikmin (game) and Pikmin (species)
Although Pikmin 1 is not the official title of the game, I believe for the sake of disambiguation between categories and articles its an acceptable alternative name and should be used as the article title, (although the intro would state the official title as Pikmin). Currently linking to Pikmin (game) is confusing for new users and laborious compared to using Pikmin 1. Category naming also presents a problem of consistency, currently we have a category named Category:Pikmin 1 Ship Parts, from that title its obvious its about ship parts in the first game, however if we used the official title: Pikmin Ship Parts, are we now talking about parts of a spaceship belonging to the Pikmin? Using the current disambiguated name "Pikmin (game) Ship Parts" is very ugly for a title

I would also like to move the Pikmin (species) article to Pikmin as they are essentially what this is all about! the current disambiguation article located there is small and can easily become a small disambiguation at the top of the Pikmin (species) article like many articles on wikipedia use. So in summary I'd like to see. I think this will make the titles less cumbersome and wiki-linking easier. Discordance 03:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Pikmin (game) > Pikmin 1
 * Pikmin (species) > Pikmin with disambiguation at start of article

Anonymous users
Other wikis I've worked on require users to register an account such as. I do not believe that anonymous editing in general is helpful to the overall upkeep of the wiki. The obvious issue of vandalism aside it makes helping new editors much more difficult when theyre switching IPs, and while it can be frustrating for registered users to have to remember to log in all the time encouraging them to do so is a good thing.

The main reason I'm asking if we can and if people are willing to force registration at the moment, is we have a few active anonymous users all acting in good faith, at least one of which is proficient at editing articles. Most of them however are making mistakes like forgetting spaces after punctuation or more problematically wiki-linking and then creating (and often recreating) unnecessary articles and inserting unverified information. I don't mind cleaning up after them but it would make things easier if their talk page wasn't constantly switching between IPs and I could leave them some advice and links to help articles on their talk page.

On a side note are there many active admins at the moment to help with deletions and cleanup? Or any sysops who could force registration? Discordance 04:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Now that i'v heard about this I wan't to say that I'm a anonymous user but at least i'm a good one I'm here to say that I believe we should do a sub block thing like the mariowiki because I'm doing my rounds surfing through all 496 main pages and i'v seen that a few of them are geting vandilized I think you should do something. Yoshi January 10 9:10 (UTC)

Whats a sub block Yoshi? Is that where you block anonymous editors from editing an individual page? Discordance 14:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Pikmin scenes
i think we should get some actuall screenshots of stuff in pikmin, not just the Clay promos of the 2nd pikmin.--Revan 06:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Regional Spelling Variations
I wanted to know what the view on spelling is. Is it okay to spell, for example, 'colour' with a 'u', or should I try to use American spellings, since that is what seems to be the case here so far.--Greenpickle 16:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think it matters whether or not you use American spellings or not, but you should at least try to use the American spellings to keep the articles consistent. Of course if you don't, sooner or later someone else will probably change the spelling of any non-American spellings to the American spelling, so like I said, it doesn't really matter. Bith 10:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The same?
This wiki says that some of the areas from Pikmin and Pikmin 2 are the same with minor adjustments. This is completely ridiculous. They may be similar, but they are definately not the same places. Also this wiki doesnt have any templates, i think ill work on that. --Samasaurusrex3 03:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe what they are trying to say is that the areas are the same as the areas Captian Olimar crashed into in the first game, but seasons have changed in Pikmin 2 to give these levels a completly different look. (I say this because in the last level of Pikmin 2, you can see at one point a clearing that has crop circles on the ground almost identical to the ones that the Pikmin's onions landed on in the previous game.)To say it in a less complicated way, they programmed completly new levels, but they were meant to represent areas where Olimar had already landed. --me_just_in

Page monitoring
@ Me Just In: I don't fully understand what you mean with monitoring, and I don't know much about the way users are built up, but if you are talking about sysops and such: I haven't seen any. There are about 5 or more pages to be deleted, and the "green pikmin" page has been in there for, I think, about 6-5 Months. It really shoudn't be too hard for a sysop to delete those. Ive also read that Dark Lord Revan has left this wiki. I don't know if that's true. Anyway, all I know for sure is that I haven't seen any user with, well, "deletion rights" or whatever do any thing around here.

Yeah, I was just wondering if any one actually still submitted articles, deleted inappropriate edits, etc. and I meant that I would delete what I posted on the front page if no one else was around to do so.

Wikia Gaming footer
I went ahead and added a Wikia Gaming footer to the bottom of the Main Page. We're trying to get Wikia's gaming wikis more linked with each other. It's not mandatory, so you can remove it if you really hate it, but it would be appreciated if you didn't :). You can change the links to point to any other wikia wikis you like or cooperate with. Ausir 15:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sigh, Its a ghost site here. It wont be removed....

Not entirely. I admit, it seems that there is not a single sysop here, but there are still quite a few Users and more are joining. In the moment it is pretty empty, but should Nintendo finaly decide to make Pikmin 3, it will certainly give a boost to this Wiki.  Prezintenden (babble) 12:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I certainly hope that they make a Pikmin 3!

I bet everyone here agrees.

Shigeru Miyamoto did say that 'we haven't seen the last of Pikmin'.-  Greenpickle (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Say, now that I think about it: We don't have a single active sysop, bureaucrat or moderator, just the "simple" users, so no one of us can make new sysops. So, basically, this means that we have no one who could delete pages or block users and so on. I was hoping that there is a way to fix this. Does anyone have an idea?  Prezintenden (babble) 19:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Revidnioc, a bureaucrat, did come here a few days ago, but it looks like he won't return again, like the others. I think that if the state of the wiki depreciates too much because of the lack of admins, it is possible to appeal to Wikia staff to change a user's rights.-  Greenpickle (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

"Shigeru Miyamoto did say that 'we haven't seen the last of Pikmin'.-  Greenpickle (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)"

There may be a new Pikmin game, but Shigeru always seems to be extremely vague. (At the instruction of Nintendo, as [if you haven't noticed], game developers tend to keep information within their own companies, similarly to the CIA, [but not upon such a serious scale]). Thusly, I can't tell if Miyamoto's telling the truth or not.

In addition, I'm sure if you were to contact the Wikia staff they would defiantly do something about the site, (I would contact them myself, but I don't know how to Html code that well...). -Me_just_in

I could imagine that after the new Zelda- and Mario game, along with smash bros., have been released, Pikmin 3 could be one of the new projects. That should get some admins back. If thats not so, then I'll see if it's necessary to make new moderators. I bet the deleted category will be pretty clogged up until then, and we could try to get some new sysops.  Prezintenden (babble) 07:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the deletion thingy is almost empty right now (only one page in the category). I've put a link to here in my signature on GameFAQs, where I post on the Pikmin 2 board, which should hopefully attract more users who will stay.-  Greenpickle (talk) 13:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Very cool, it'd be nice to bring some more traffic back to this site---me_just_in

New Admins for Pikipedia
It appears that yes all the Sysops/Bureaucrats of this wiki are inactive and as such the community can have new admins promoted. Before I get into the requesting and notes on who can I should note a few things about what becoming an admin means before someone choses to become an admin just cause they think it makes them special:
 * In becoming an administrator you have no special power or authority to impose your own opinions on another user. Just because you are a sysop has no weight on your votes on a subject. In fact being a sysop does not mean you are here to apply your ideas... It means you are here to take in the general consensus of the community and to stop the lone users trying to force something on the wiki that the general community has decided against together.
 * Being an administrator means it's your job to help keep the wiki clean, if someone needs something deleted or some spam removed then being a sysop means it's your job to apply those things that are needed when they are valid requests. But it also means it's your job to pick out what is someone making a mistake from someone trying to ruin the wiki, and treat the person making the mistake kindly.
 * Protection is not something to be abused... Protection is only used when something is vandalized to much. It can also be used temporarily when some users are engaging in an edit-war, just until things have been discussed.

But I should also note some things that make a someone a good candidate for being an admin:
 * An admin should be an active user; Someone being Sysop is completely useless if they aren't around enough to clean up anything. In the case of a low-activity wiki like this one, generally someone is not active enough if they miss any edits in the RC because they were not here during that time. (The RC has a basic 7 day and 100 edit limit, so someone active should generally at least come around every 3 or so days)
 * An admin should be motivated to apply requests needing Sysop powers; If an admin is not willing to take and apply requests such as deletions, and keep up with them then they do not make a good admin.
 * An admin should have a history of keeping cool in debates and not using their powers
 * An admin should also be good with using MediaWiki; Mostly and admin should know how to protect/unprotect, delete/undelete, use the Recentchanges, and have a general knowledge of WikiText and various other parts of the Admin and User end of MediaWiki.
 * And an admin should be an active member of the community or someone who has has experience elsewhere on Wikia.

Just taking a look over the recent changes... The active users I see are Greenpickle, Prezintenden, and Me just in.

The community is welcome to pick out a user or two who they feel is active, fits the above description and understands the information above about what it means to be an admin, and whom the community feels they can trust. If there is no user who completely fits that, the community is also free to see if there are any general Wikia users such as me who have admin experience elsewhere who could come and watch over the wiki. We could even be given Bureaucrat to promote any user who appears to have grown enough to fit in as an admin. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman([Talk])
 * Just to note... Sannse just gave me Sysop so I could change the Sitenotice and one or two other things to draw attention to the wiki needing admins. This does not make me an admin on the wiki unless the community feels that they want me to be admin to help them out (In that case I could also get Bureaucrat and promote anyone who looked good enough to be admin to). ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman([Talk])

Hm... I'm surprised someone organized all that without being asked; I really appreciate that.

Okay; I'll start with myself. I check the recent changes everytime I turn on my PC, so pretty much every day. I can't remember treating anyone unpolitely, actually, I find non of the Users here do, so that shouldn't be a problem. And considering that there aren't so many Users here, apart from the fact that there is hardly anything that would give a hard debate, those points shouldn't be too much trouble. What I'm concerned about are these Mediawiki and Wikitext. I don't have an idea of what that is. However, this site has worked fine, so it can't be that vital. If it's needed in the future, then I have enough time to learn how to use it. Well, in the end, I think Greenpickle has more 'Wiki know-how', and it shouldn't be neccesary to get admins from another Wiki to help here. But if Pikmin 3 comes to existance, then this site will expand, so some new admin would surely be helpful. - Prezintenden (babble) 17:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm one of the most advanced around Wikia with WikiText/CSS/JS. I'm free to help if you need. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman([Talk])

I visit here most days as well, and am by nature a perfectionist, which'd help with keeping the place 'clean'. I'm guessing that WikiText would include more than just what's on the Wikipedia Cheatsheet; things that I've encountered, but would like more information on (is there a tutorial anywhere?).-  Greenpickle (talk) 07:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've decided that I need the following: protect/unprotect pages; delete pages; block/delete users (for vandals, obviously). By looking at our talk on the main page, I'm assuming that there will be a Pikmin sequal, so my requests are respectivly. I remember reading that a sysop has these 'options', but I'm not sure; thats why I listed them.

I understand that you can change the usertype for more than just one user, right? So, I would certainly like to change my category; if someone wants to join me, that would help, should there be any problems I don't understand (apart from the fact that I could ask on another Wiki).  Prezintenden (babble) 17:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Lets see....Well, I know how to check for current edits, I always keep a cool-head in arguments, (so there's no worries of me going out of the lines of a neutral point of view). Unfortunately, I don't know much about Html ,(apart from creating articles, [fonts, colors, etc.], and posting images). Although true, I am confident I could, "police", edits and frequently contribute to the site. If plausible, I would defiantly accept the administrative title, knowing that its simply a role used to "keep the site clean", and in order, not an abusable power.  Me_just_in 

Is Dantman returning? -  Greenpickle (talk) 17:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I hate to bug him/her, (don't know, sorry if I offend!), but I could ask on their Wikipedia user page.-  Me_just_in 

Well, I just checked his userpae (a he, by the way) and and doesn't look like it would provoke him if we asked. I think we should give him time until sunday. Probably he just forgot about us, so if nothing happens, I'll ask him.-- Prezintenden (babble) 13:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Found this on his userpage: ''Dantman is currently away. It is unknown when he will return. You can still leave a message on his Talk Page and he'll reply the next time he comes on.'' -  Greenpickle (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Prezintenden, we should wait until Sunday to ask. I'll ask after a while if neither of you get around to doing so, (which you probably will anyway, so no worries).- Me_just_in 

Ya sorry, forgot about here and didn't check back. I don't normally put anything other than Animanga wiki inside of my WikiSwitch unless it's something I'm going to be active at and it tends to make things like this disappear from view. As for that status on my userpage, ^_^ I haven't updated that in ages. Haven't yet got back into actually using my little status changer.

I don't actively watch Wikipedia, so don't try contacting me there, it'll be ages till I get a message there. Just put something up on any of my talkpages. Wikia's notifications are global so I'll get it anywhere.

As for this. What it looks like could be used in this case (where we have 3 or so normal users who are good as contributors, knowledgeable about the basics of WikiText, but would only work out as light admins [Basically ones who just work on deletions and such of spam and other things]) that what would be good for the wiki is someone with good leadership skills in the community as a bureaucrat. That way the bureaucrat could work on the deletions and stuff at the start, and watch the other users and how active they are and when perhaps someone else is needed for deletions, to promote the best user for the task to Sysop.

If you guys have anyone who has good community leadership skills, they could adopt the wiki. Or I could if you want, I'm more of the leading and technical over content person, so as the wiki appears to have good contributors I'd be fine with adopting it if you can't find anyone real good with the kind of leadership and reasoning skills used normally on a wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman([Talk])


 * As long as we get a Bureacrat, I don't mind who it is. The main reason for wanting one is things such as deletion and the ability to edit all pages. -  Greenpickle (talk) 12:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd be willing to adopt the site, but I am still lacking in fortuitous comprehension of WikiText. If there is anyone interested that is more apt to Wikipedia's coding system, this would be the preferred choice. However, if no one finds their self capable in the coding field I could always find a tutorial and grasp a better understanding. The proper use of the Bureaucrat position itself would not prove to be difficult, as I am a reasonable, collected person whom practices decent leadership skills. -  Me_just_in 

Well then, I get that Greenpickle would accept Me just in as the head Bureacrat (this is the correct designation, right?), and so would I. Now, if I get this right, then Me just in could give me sysop rights (if everyone agrees, of course) to assist him with further tasks. Greenpickle can work better with wikipedia coding than me, as I'm still getting to know the more advanced parts. However, he doesn't seem all too ambitious, and we can certainly have more than just one sysop.

So, that would pretty much be my idea of how we could continue. I hope there aren't too many disagreements so that we can come to a finish.-- Prezintenden (babble) 15:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm okay with that. Oh, and Me just in, 'fortuitous'? You've started using relatively uncommon words in strange places... -  Greenpickle (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

As long as the community is alright with that, it definitely sounds like a plan. (Oh, by the way Greenpickle, I've done that from day one. Remember the welcome template talk: we are 'enthralled' to see you have joined, etc. If it causes misconception about the true meaning of my sentences, I can tone down the odd grammar a bit. Also note that I take no offense in this observation and will gladly change sentence structure if it has become a problem.)- Me_just_in 


 * I understand you perfectly well; perhaps the words are just out of context on a talk page, which doesn't exactly require sophisticated language. -  Greenpickle (talk) 15:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh, well, as long as I can read your sentances without having to look up every second word, we'll be fine.

Anyway, I'd say it's decided. Make Me just in Bureaucrat and we'll take care of the rest.-- Prezintenden (babble) 15:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Moving Main-Page Talk to the Community Portal
I think that most of this should be moved to the Community Portal talk page; talk here should be about the Main Page, and talk there should be about the Wiki as a whole. It's not too important, but it could do with being done.-  Greenpickle (talk) 14:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Right you are...I might do that later today.- me_just_in <


 * I agree. Wikipedia shows the best example, but one general talk page is definatly more than enough for us.


 * How do you want to proceed? I'd say that the following should stay here: everything until '"you" or "player"' (which was put here from the community page for a reason I don't understand), keep 'awards' and 'voting' here, 'treasures' and 'Naming of Pikmin (game) and Pikmin (species)' should be moved aswell; I'm not sure about 'Anonymous users', but the three image title could stay; 'Pikmin scenes', 'Regional Spelling Variations' and 'The same?' should be moved, too. 'Page monitoring' and everything after "7 September 2007 (UTC)" should be moved aswell.


 * Well, you get the picture. You might disagree on one thing or another, so I listed my ideas. Also, do we have to do this with the cut-and-paste method?- Prezintenden (babble) 17:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I basically did what you said. But what happens with this section...? -  Greenpickle (talk) 17:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

This section was moved from the main page to the community "Pikmin talk", section, it is preferred if discussion not related to the main page would be posted here.- me_just_in 


 * Actually, we don't normally use the Community Portal talkpage method. Normally on Wikia we use the DPL Forums system and setup a bit of a forum for discussion on things about the wiki. Take a look at the Narutopedia's. I could always set it up here as I have the Sysop tag needed to do some of the setup. ~ NOTASTAFF Dantman([Talk])

I like that idea, very much so, I'm not pestering you to do so; but if you could set up the foundation of a DPL Forum, it would be greatly appreciated. If you are unable to do so however, Greenpickle, Prezintenden, and I could attempt to set one up, -  Me_just_in 

Statistics
I've recently come across a page of statistics for this wiki, and it's quite interesting. The things that stood out most are:
 * The last two months have seen the highest numbers of users making more than 5 edits ever (7 for September, 9 for October).
 * Article are the largest they've ever been.
 * The wiki contains 3500 internal links and 114,000 words.
 * We have 4 external images embedded (where are those? I want to make them internal.)
 * I have made the fourth most edits of any user here...yay! (Prezintenden's 6th, Me just in's 16th.)

Interested in all of it? Here's the page: []. I think it takes a couple of days to update, as Maaul still has one edit. -  Greenpickle (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the link. - Me_just_in 

I would just like to say I made 2 users admins in Prezintenden and Greenpickle, and Me_just_in a bueocrat Revan 08:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll make Me_just_in a bureaucrat and he can set the others as admins using special:makesysop. Angela (talk) 09:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

(I don't know if she'll be back to read this considering she is one of the founders of Wikipedia,[busy, etc.]), but thanks for that. 16:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of this?
It just has a load of random stuff from various sources. However, it's linked on a lot of user talk pages as it's in the welcome. What shall we put here? I'm thinking we make it less of an article, more of a thing like the main page, with boxes and stuff, with the aim being to let people know how to get started contributing, and what's going on in the community. Move the 'help contents' and 'editing' boxes from the main page to here, add a news box, link to recent changes, both forums, current projects, user lists (already there). A box to create a forum topic, right from this page. Thoughts?  G P