Talk:Carry

I'm willing to bet that the "random" return destination for equally numbered / white and purple pikmin is actually a modulus function that cycles the onions in order, but currently have no way to prove this. If I were a Pikmin developer though, that's how I'd do it. While I find another copy of Pikmin 2 for myself (the first one got scratched up when I moved and I haven't had a reason to get another for awhile), take a look at this -> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Modulus.html -


 * Fairly sure it was tested quite well and something like that would have been obvious. I don't remember trying it myself, though. G P  07:17, 1 September 2012 (EDT)


 * Yeah, it was written on the old page that it was cycled via modulus, but nope. It's really random. It's simple to test it, and I did it when I wrote the article, both in (PAL GC) Pikmin and (PAL GC) Pikmin 2. Just have 1 Purple grab onto something and then calling it back and issuing it over and over. The color the Purple chooses seems to be completely random.
 * If it were a modulus based on the number of times it was grabbed, it should be like: "grab, red, release, grab, yellow, release, grab, blue, release" over and over. If it were a modulus based on the number of "neutral" Pikmin carrying it, it should be like: "a Pikmin grabs, red, another grabs, yellow, another, blue" over and over. And yeah, neither proved out to be true. (Same things apply when there's a tie in Pikmin, not just for "neutral" Pikmin in Pikmin 2.) And now that we're discussing it, I personally feel like the Pikmin-number based one would be a horrible idea. If you only had 1 Purple with you and no other Pikmin, you'd be forced to pick the Red onion. But the "number-of-grabs" one would really be the best solution. Why they chose random is a bit of a mystery.— {EspyoT} 08:19, 1 September 2012 (EDT)


 * I have acquired a copy of Pikmin 2. If I find an easy-to-reproduce pattern, I'll make sure to make note of it. -

Speed research
I tried researching how the carrying speeds work in Pikmin 2. Long story short: I can't reach any equation that defines all scenarios. But I did reach some other conclusions. Because getting the Pikmin to cooperate is so hard sometimes, and because I was quickly finding out that it'll be impossible to find a pattern this way, I just skipped some cases entirely.

Blue Pikmin

 * 10 leaves
 * 786 frames
 * 20 leaves
 * 568 frames
 * 10 flowers
 * 569 frames
 * 11 flowers
 * 539 frames
 * 12 flowers
 * 512 frames
 * 13 flowers
 * 488 frames
 * 14 flowers
 * 466 frames
 * 15 flowers
 * 446 frames
 * 16 flowers
 * 428 frames
 * 17 flowers
 * 410 frames
 * 18 flowers
 * 395 frames
 * 19 flowers
 * 380 frames
 * 20 flowers
 * 367 frames
 * 10 spicy leaves
 * 569 frames
 * 20 spicy leaves
 * 367 frames
 * 10 spicy flowers
 * 569 frames
 * 20 spicy flowers
 * 367 frames

Purples

 * 1 flower
 * 1164 frames
 * 2 flowers
 * 1066 frames
 * 10 flowers
 * 641 frames
 * 20 flowers
 * 426 frames
 * 1 leaf
 * 1232 frames
 * 10 leaves
 * 927 frames
 * 1 spicy leaf
 * 1158 frames
 * 10 spicy leaves
 * 638 frames

Whites

 * 10 leaves
 * 444 frames
 * 20 leaves
 * 271 frames
 * 10 flowers
 * 366 frames
 * 11 flowers
 * 343 frames
 * 12 flowers
 * 322 frames
 * 13 flowers
 * 303 frames
 * 14 flowers
 * 287 frames
 * 15 flowers
 * 272 frames
 * 16 flowers
 * 259 frames
 * 17 flowers
 * 247 frames
 * 18 flowers
 * 236 frames
 * 19 flowers
 * 226 frames
 * 20 flowers
 * 216 frames
 * 10 spicy leaves
 * 366 frames
 * 20 spicy leaves
 * 216 frames
 * 10 spicy flowers
 * 366 frames
 * 20 spicy flowers
 * 216 frames

Mixed

 * 1 flower Purple + 1 flower Blue
 * 1078 frames
 * 5 flower Blues + 5 flower Whites
 * 446 frames
 * 9 flower Whites + 1 flower Blue
 * 380 frames
 * 9 flower Blues + 1 flower White
 * 539 frames

Special case

 * 1 Purple leaf with the "capacity" setting set to 0 in the in-game files (theoretically, the "base" speed)
 * 1282 frames

Conclusions

 * Ultra-spicy spray basically makes the Pikmin act as if it is a flower. Meaning that if you spray a group of flower Pikmin, it will not affect their carrying speed.
 * Flower Pikmin are not twice as fast as leaf Pikmin. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
 * Blue flowers are 1.3838 times faster than leaves.
 * Purple flowers are 1.09193 times faster than leaves.
 * White flowers are 1.21311 times faster than leaves.
 * Twice the number of Pikmin does not mean twice as fast a trip. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
 * Twice the number of Blues are 1.3838 times faster
 * Twice the number of Purples are 1.09193 times faster
 * Twice the number of Whites are 1.63838 times faster
 * In addition...
 * 10 times the number of Purples are 1.81591 times faster
 * 20 times the number of Purples are 2.73239 times faster

&mdash; {EspyoT} 12:15, 14 February 2016 (EST)