Pikipedia:Proposals

Archived proposals can be found at Pikipedia:Policy/past proposals.

This page is used to propose policy to be put into place at Pikipedia. To make a proposal, create a new section with an appropriate title, followed by a summary of the proposal and your reasons. Next, create 'support', 'oppose' and 'comments' subsections and sign your name under 'support'. Other users can then sign their support or opposition, optionally making extra comments, and the policy will be implemented if it gets enough support.

As well as new policy, you may propose changes to or removal of existing policy in the same manner.

Headers — Styling or Not?

While I know that there has already been a proposal about this, I deem it necessary to re-evaluate the issue. For one, the issue was not thoroughly discussed; for another, no real reasons were provided to back up the claim.

Now, we italicise game titles everywhere and thus we can avoid using 'Pikmin 1' in text because italics make it clear that a game is being referred back to. But not in headers? Why this inconsistency? Furthermore, we do link to the pages that are about the games in the text. Why not in the headers? There they will be more visible and easier to reach for everyone. I also think that, if there is a header with a game's title in it, the header should be the only place the link should be placed in the entire article. This is to, yet again, make sure the link is as visible as possible. Now, I do not want any of this 'because it's bad'-garb. I want actual arguments backing up your claims.

Support

• RandomYoshi^{Talk to me!} Per Proposal.
• — {Espyo^T} I was always in favor of this. Basically agreed with the proposal. Also, it'll help with the "Pikmin 1" vs "Pikmin" thing.
• ~PikFan23 - I've seen several Wikipedia article titles with italicised game names in them (such as Pikmin), so why not follow Wikipedia's example? I approve.
• Miles Because it's bad.

Oppose

• Locke (talk) Italicizing game titles for consistency between Pikmin and Pikmin 1 makes sense, but I think including links in headers is bad from a web design standpoint. First, links look different. Adding green to some headers violates the CRAP principle of repetition. In short, it blurs the identities of both "what is a header" and "what is a link". All headers are black; that's a trait that identifies them as headers. Throw in a few green ones and they'll be unsettling if not confusing. Second, it would confuse efficacy. There's a clear sense of what a reader can do with a header: use it to locate and/or identify the proceeding section of text. If some of these are clickable, it changes the function of a header into something that isn't so clear. Now, I'm not saying that users are stupid and won't be able to figure out what's a link and what's not, but it will be unsettling. I don't think more visibility for some links is worth damaging users' efficacy. Why is it so important to improve link visibility anyway?
• Prez - Would look horrible

Comments

This policy proposal has been up for most of a month now and most of the users have put in their opinion. I say we go ahead and institute it. Besides, more users support it than users who oppose it... ~PikFan23

Hmm, well, I didn't vote yet because, in my opinion, headers with links wouldn't look good, but I can't think of a way to explain why. It seems, though, that everyone (except maybe Prez) agrees with italics in headers, and I'm for it too, so I'm fine with putting that through. PikFan, do you even agree with links? You only mention italics in your support comment.

I take it links and italics are the only styling we would use (bold and underline don't make sense anyway, and we wouldn't use any other styling even in body text (apart from in informal contexts, like strikethrough on Pikipedia: pages)). I'm adding it for italics now, then, but I'll leave links for the moment (5 for, 3 against isn't exactly a consensus). GP 15:21, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

Edit: regarding italics in page titles, this is of course only as displayed, and not actually embedded in the stored title. Therefore, page titles should be such that they are unambiguous without the formatting - pages like 'Category: Pikmin 1' should stay where they are. This is so that you know exactly what a page is when you see it listed in recent changes, or a category, or the category links at the bottom of an article.

It would be inconsistent, though, for an different title to show up on the page itself (through DISPLAYTITLE - as in, you would see 'Category: Pikmin' when viewing the page, but still see 'Category: Pikmin 1' in listings), so we shouldn't have italics in page titles. Anyone disagree? GP 15:33, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

Okay, well, firstly, I don't really mind having links in headers. Secondly, I was only thinking having italicised titles on actual articles, not category pages. Besides, Wikipedia (yes, another Wikipedia reference) doesn't italicise their category titles. If we italicised the page "Pikmin (game)" it would show up as "Pikmin (game)", but in the Recent Changes it would be the same. So we only italicise actual article titles, not including category titles, etc. And of course having bold/underline in headers would not make any sense; I've seen bold headers on Pikmin Fanon and they look... weird. So let's not even go down that road... ~PikFan23

Hmm, I guess that makes sense - still have the full title, but italicise the part of it that needs it, if any. Sounds reasonable; I'll add it to the policy page. With bold/underline, I was more thinking because titles are already bold/underlined. GP 15:35, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

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I am going to assume that we can go ahead and put this policy into effect, as this proposal has been up for more than six months. ~PikFan23

1. a policy proposal being old does not mean everyone agrees on it; 2. I added part of it months ago (just allowing italics in headings). The only other thing is links, for which it seems there's no real consensus (I'm against them, but haven't voted against because I'm not against italics). GP 18:19, 10 January 2013 (EST)

Thanks for clearing that up; I was confused. I'll go ahead and begin italicising all headers that have game names in them, then. ~PikFan23

File names?

Shoud we, like Wikipedia, relocaet inapropriate file names? I see your previuos domain now hosts a template (by the way, that domain is a mess now). It seems rather strange to hav files named File:001.jpg or File:ajksf;ljwioe8.png floating around. And even if I`m not allowed to vote because I`m not logged in, can you at least take a look at it? What file name is better: File:6.jpg, or File:Captain Olimar.jpg? --173.70.30.125 07:15, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

Up until now, we've just not really bothered moving already-uploaded ones, because people don't actually often see the file description page - either the image embedded in a page, or the file itself. We'd also have to edit a load of pages to fix changed names (unless there's such a thing as file redirects, I guess, but that wouldn't be much better than crazy names). That's my opinion, anyway - anyone else? GP 04:55, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

There are file redirects, and replacing filenames on many articles at once can be done using Special:ReplaceText (extension - a very useful one that I recommend installing regardless). I don't mind either way though. << Locke^{(talk|contribs)} >> 09:17, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

That looks pretty nice. RegEx is great. I was a bit dubious until I read that it shows you a confirmation screen listing pages and the changes it will make, so yeah. I'll see if we can get it installed, then I'm all for this (don't expect to see me doing the renaming, but whoever does, make a list of them and I'll get to cleaning the links up at some point, leaving a redirect in the meantime).

Anyway, we haven't really been strict about file names, and as I said, I don't think we need to be, but if many are interested, we can set this up at pikipedia:current projects. GP 16:08, 30 July 2012 (EDT)