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[[File:Carrying.jpg|thumb|250px|In ''Pikmin 2'', a [[Fiery Blowhog]] requires the strength of seven Pikmin to lift it. Here, there are eight [[Yellow Pikmin]] carrying it.]] | [[File:Carrying.jpg|thumb|250px|In ''Pikmin 2'', a [[Fiery Blowhog]] requires the strength of seven Pikmin to lift it. Here, there are eight [[Yellow Pikmin]] carrying it.]] | ||
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In the [[Pikmin series|''Pikmin'' games]], [[Pikmin family|Pikmin]] are able to '''carry''' various kinds of objects towards a destination. Carrying is one of the main mechanics of the ''Pikmin'' games, as it is how key items like [[ship part]]s, [[treasure]]s, and [[fruit]]s are collected. | {{image}} | ||
In the [[Pikmin series|''Pikmin'' games]], [[Pikmin family|Pikmin]] are able to '''carry''' ({{j|運ぶ|Hakobu|Carry|}}) various kinds of objects towards a destination. Carrying is one of the main mechanics of the ''Pikmin'' games, as it is how key items like [[ship part]]s, [[treasure]]s, and [[fruit]]s are collected. | |||
In order to carry an object, the object must be lifted by a group of Pikmin large enough to support its weight. Objects will normally be carried to either the [[Onion]] or the [[Ship (disambiguation)|ship]], though some objects will be carried [[#Objects|elsewhere]]. When a Pikmin is ordered to carry an object that can be carried, it will grab onto its perimeter to help carry the object. If the object is too heavy, the Pikmin will just stand in place, periodically trying to pull it up, but once enough Pikmin grab onto the object, they will be able to carry it away. | In order to carry an object, the object must be lifted by a group of Pikmin large enough to support its [[weight]]. Objects will normally be carried to either the [[Onion]] or the [[Ship (disambiguation)|ship]], though some objects will be carried [[#Objects|elsewhere]]. When a Pikmin is ordered to carry an object that can be carried, it will grab onto its perimeter to help carry the object. If the object is too heavy, the Pikmin will just stand in place, periodically trying to pull it up, but once enough Pikmin grab onto the object, they will be able to carry it away. | ||
While an object is being carried, idle Pikmin nearby will attempt to help the carriers, if there is enough space around the object. If there is enough space for the new Pikmin, it will attempt to go the spot, and when it gets close, it will join them and the overall carrying speed will change accordingly. In the first two games, the carriers briefly halt in order for the new Pikmin to join them, but in ''Pikmin 3'', adding and subtracting Pikmin fluently changes the carrying velocity. If a Pikmin cannot join carrying for a few seconds, it will sigh and become idle. If there are no free spots to begin with, the Pikmin will just remain idle, or attempt to work on a different task. When called, the Pikmin will let go of the object and come to the [[leader]]'s side | While an object is being carried, [[idle]] Pikmin nearby will attempt to help the carriers, if there is enough space around the object. If there is enough space for the new Pikmin, it will attempt to go the spot, and when it gets close, it will join them and the overall carrying speed will change accordingly. In the first two games, the carriers briefly halt in order for the new Pikmin to join them, but in ''Pikmin 3'' and ''Pikmin 4'', adding and subtracting Pikmin fluently changes the carrying velocity. If a Pikmin cannot join carrying for a few seconds, it will sigh and become idle. If there are no free spots to begin with, the Pikmin will just remain idle, or attempt to work on a different task. When called, the Pikmin will let go of the object and come to the [[leader]]'s side. | ||
In ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2'', the Pikmin gather around the object as if its perimeter is always a circle. Most objects have a circular radius, but for the objects that do not (such as the [[ | In ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2'', the Pikmin gather around the object as if its perimeter is always a circle. Most objects have a circular radius, but for the objects that do not (such as the [[Prototype Detector]]), some Pikmin will be seen clearly holding on to nothing. In ''Pikmin 3'' and ''Hey! Pikmin'', all carrier Pikmin grab on to the object, following its shape. | ||
In {{pb}}, Pikmin carry items such as [[seedling]]s and [[Fruit (Pikmin Bloom)|fruits]] on [[expedition]]s. The carrying system works very differently in this game, as Pikmin walk in a straight line from the player's [[Mii]] to the location of the object, and then walk back to the player's Mii in a straight line, taking into account the movements of the player. | In {{pb}}, Pikmin carry items such as [[seedling]]s and [[Fruit (Pikmin Bloom)|fruits]] on [[expedition]]s. The carrying system works very differently in this game, as Pikmin walk in a straight line from the player's [[Mii]] to the location of the object, and then walk back to the player's Mii in a straight line, taking into account the movements of the player. | ||
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*[[Careening Dirigibug]]s can carry and throw the [[bomb rock]]s they create. | *[[Careening Dirigibug]]s can carry and throw the [[bomb rock]]s they create. | ||
*[[Honeywisp]]s can carry [[egg]]s, which they release upon defeat. | *[[Honeywisp]]s can carry [[egg]]s, which they release upon defeat. | ||
*Leaders can carry Pikmin (when they hold them before [[throw]]ing them), and on [[Hostile Territory]], [[bomb rock]]s. | *Leaders can carry Pikmin (when they hold them before [[throw]]ing them), and on [[Hostile Territory]], [[bomb rock]]s. They can also carry items from their [[Pack]] in {{p4}}. | ||
*[[Skutterchuck]]s can carry, toss, and drop [[crystal nodule]]s. | *[[Skutterchuck]]s can carry, toss, and drop [[crystal nodule]]s. They can also pick up [[bomb rock]]s in {{p4}}. | ||
*Some [[jellyfloat family]] and [[umbloda family]] members can carry Pikmin or leaders inside of them. | *Some [[jellyfloat family]] and [[umbloda family]] members can carry Pikmin or leaders inside of them. | ||
* [[Oatchi]] and [[Moss]] can carry objects in exactly the same manner as a Pikmin, counting as a number of Pikmin between 3 and 100 depending on the dog's current skills. | |||
*The ''Pikmin 4'' [[Pikmin 4 player character|player character]] can carry objects with the strength of 1 Pikmin if they have the [[Extra Hand]] upgrade equipped. | |||
==Destination== | ==Destination== | ||
[[File:P3 Rock Pikmin Carrying Fruit.png|thumb | [[File:P3 Rock Pikmin Carrying Fruit.png|thumb|200px|Rock Pikmin carrying several things in a prerelease version of ''Pikmin 3''.]] | ||
The destination of a carried item depends on what the item is and what Pikmin types are carrying it. In most cases, the destination is a [[Ship (disambiguation)|ship]] or an [[Onion]]; for a full list, see the [[#Objects|Objects section]] of this article. To reach this destination, Pikmin will follow a path between various waypoints around the [[area]]. They will normally try to follow the shortest path available. If the only path is blocked by a [[gate]] or a gap with a missing [[bridge]], the Pikmin will start walking in a circle in front of the obstacle, waiting for it to be cleared.{{cite quote|The Pikmin that are carrying our spoils seem to be milling about in one place with their loads. It appears that their path back to the Onion is blocked, and faced with what seems to be an insurmountable obstacle, they have lost their focus. This is unacceptable. I will have to determine what is blocking their way and do what I can to resolve the problem.|Captain Olimar|a [[Olimar's monologs|monolog]]}} | The destination of a carried item depends on what the item is and what Pikmin types are carrying it. In most cases, the destination is a [[Ship (disambiguation)|ship]] or an [[Onion]]; for a full list, see the [[#Objects|Objects section]] of this article. To reach this destination, Pikmin will follow a path between various waypoints around the [[area]]. They will normally try to follow the shortest path available. If the only path is blocked by a [[gate]] or a gap with a missing [[bridge]], the Pikmin will start walking in a circle in front of the obstacle, waiting for it to be cleared.{{cite quote|The Pikmin that are carrying our spoils seem to be milling about in one place with their loads. It appears that their path back to the Onion is blocked, and faced with what seems to be an insurmountable obstacle, they have lost their focus. This is unacceptable. I will have to determine what is blocking their way and do what I can to resolve the problem.|Captain Olimar|a [[Olimar's monologs|monolog]]}} | ||
===Onions=== | ===Onions=== | ||
[[File:Beastly Caverns CT start point.jpg|thumb|left|200px|2 Onions in the [[Beastly Caverns]].]] | [[File:Beastly Caverns CT start point.jpg|thumb|left|200px|2 Onions in the [[Beastly Caverns]].]] | ||
When carrying objects that will be deposited in an [[Onion]], the destination Onion is calculated based on the Pikmin carrying it. The Onion will match the type of the Pikmin type that makes up the majority of the carriers. If the number is a tie, the type will be decided [[Randomness|random]]ly between the tying types. | When carrying objects that will be deposited in an [[Onion]], the destination Onion is calculated based on the Pikmin carrying it. The Onion will match the type of the Pikmin type that makes up the majority of the carriers. If the number is a tie, the type will be decided [[Randomness|random]]ly between the tying types. | ||
In ''Pikmin 2'', [[White Pikmin]] and [[Purple Pikmin]] don't count for the calculation. As such, only the other Pikmin types can have an influence on the chosen Onion. If only White or Purple Pikmin are carrying it, a random Onion will be chosen (out of all Onions available at that point). | In ''Pikmin 2'', [[White Pikmin]] and [[Purple Pikmin]] don't count for the calculation. As such, only the other Pikmin types can have an influence on the chosen Onion. If only White or Purple Pikmin are carrying it, a random Onion will be chosen (out of all Onions available at that point). | ||
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Despite ''Pikmin 3'' having only a single Onion most of the time, the same rules apply, except the "chosen Onion" just means the Pikmin type of the seeds that come out. | Despite ''Pikmin 3'' having only a single Onion most of the time, the same rules apply, except the "chosen Onion" just means the Pikmin type of the seeds that come out. | ||
In {{p4}}, all Pikmin whose Onions have not been found will produce seeds for whichever Pikmin type has the fewest total Pikmin if they are ordered to carry an item back to the Onion. This calculation is also used for [[Oatchi]] (and the player once they have the [[Extra Hand]]). | |||
====Examples==== | ====Examples==== | ||
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==Small objects== | ==Small objects== | ||
{{todo|Figure out if these objects have a different carrying speed.}} | {{todo|Figure out if these objects have a different carrying speed.}} | ||
Starting in ''Pikmin 2'', some objects have a maximum number of carriers of 1. The carrying numbers don't appear above these items in ''Pikmin 2'' (in contrast to 1-pellets), and as such only one Pikmin may carry these items at a time. Items that come from a pile in ''Pikmin 3'' also lack numbers, due to the different way in which they are carried. | Starting in ''Pikmin 2'', some objects have a maximum number of carriers of 1. The carrying numbers don't appear above these items in ''Pikmin 2'' (in contrast to 1-pellets), and as such only one Pikmin may carry these items at a time. Items that come from a pile in ''Pikmin 3'' and ''Pikmin 4'' also lack numbers, due to the different way in which they are carried. | ||
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*Corpses from the following [[Enemy|enemies]]: | *Corpses from the following [[Enemy|enemies]]: | ||
** | **[[Male Sheargrub]]s, [[Female Sheargrub]]s and [[Shearwig]]s. | ||
**All [[Flitterbie family|Spectralid]]s. | **All [[Flitterbie family|Spectralid]]s. | ||
**[[ | **All [[Skitterling family|Skitterleaves]] | ||
**[[Mitite]]s. | **[[Mitite]]s. | ||
**[[Ravenous Whiskerpillar]]s. | **[[Ravenous Whiskerpillar]]s. | ||
**[[ | **[[Wolpole]]s. | ||
**[[Scornet]]s. | **[[Scornet]]s. | ||
**[[Puckering Blinnow]]s | |||
**[[Shearflea]]s | |||
**[[Sunsquish]]s | |||
**Flying [[Blowhog family|Blowhogs]] in '''Pikmin 4''' | |||
**The fruit-like appendage on the [[Bloomcap Bloyster]] | |||
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*The following [[treasure]]s and similar items: | *The following [[treasure]]s and similar items: | ||
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*Individual grapes from [[Dawn Pustules]] and [[Dusk Pustules]]. | *Individual grapes from [[Dawn Pustules]] and [[Dusk Pustules]]. | ||
*[[Nugget]]s. | *[[Nugget]]s. | ||
*[[Raw material]]s | |||
*[[Clay]] pieces from the [[S.S. Beagle]] | |||
}} | }} | ||
In ''Pikmin 3'', Pikmin carrying [[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries or treasures and objects that are a part of a pile follow some more specific behaviors. The object will vanish if the Pikmin carrying them is [[whistle]]d, and if it belonged to a pile, it will then reappear there. Pikmin carrying these objects will complain with a brief squeal if a [[leader]] crosses their way. The current leader can also push them by bumping into them, which can be used to make them go faster. Finally, after they deliver the object, they will automatically [[#Returning|return]] to the pile's original location. | In ''Pikmin 3'', Pikmin carrying [[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries or treasures and objects that are a part of a pile follow some more specific behaviors. The object will vanish if the Pikmin carrying them is [[whistle]]d, and if it belonged to a pile, it will then reappear there. Pikmin carrying these objects will complain with a brief squeal if a [[leader]] crosses their way. The current leader can also push them by bumping into them, which can be used to make them go faster. If the Pikmin somehow gets stuck and can't make any progress in their movement after some seconds, the object in their hands will vanish and they will sigh and become idle{{cite web|https://twitter.com/Gaming98/status/1634306320567537665|Video|Twitter|published={{date|10|March|2023}}|retrieved={{date|18|March|2023}}}}. Finally, after they deliver the object, they will automatically [[#Returning|return]] to the pile's original location. | ||
Although they don't carry them in the normal sense, Pikmin also carry [[bomb rock]]s and [[Bingo Battle]] mines by themselves. Instead of taking a linear path on their own and dropping the items on a destination, the Pikmin act like regular Pikmin, except they have an explosive in their hands, ready to be used, and will not attack [[enemies]] or [[obstacle]]s with melee attacks. | Although they don't carry them in the normal sense, Pikmin also carry [[bomb rock]]s and [[Bingo Battle]] mines by themselves. Instead of taking a linear path on their own and dropping the items on a destination, the Pikmin act like regular Pikmin, except they have an explosive in their hands, ready to be used, and will not attack [[enemies]] or [[obstacle]]s with melee attacks. | ||
==Carrying numbers== | ==Carrying numbers== | ||
[[File:Pikmin 2 carry numbers.png|thumb | [[File:Pikmin 2 carry numbers.png|thumb|Example of the carrying numbers displayed on the [[HUD]], in ''Pikmin 2''.]] | ||
Each object has a weight and maximum number of carrier Pikmin. If the combined strength of the Pikmin is less than the weight, it cannot be carried. If the maximum number of carriers is already met, any new Pikmin will ignore the object. The "strength" is the total calculated Pikmin strength, so Purple Pikmin count 10 towards this number, instead of 1 like all others. | Each object has a [[weight]] and maximum number of carrier Pikmin. If the combined strength of the Pikmin is less than the weight, it cannot be carried. If the maximum number of carriers is already met, any new Pikmin will ignore the object. The "strength" is the total calculated Pikmin strength, so Purple Pikmin count 10 towards this number, instead of 1 like all others. | ||
For the minimum strength and maximum number of carriers on a [[ship part]], [[treasure]], [[enemy]] or [[fruit]], please visit the appropriate page and read the "Weight" and "Max. carriers" attributes on the infobox at the top-right corner of the article. | The maximum number of carriers is often twice that of the object's weight, but some collectibles deviate from this rule; for example, [[#Small objects|small ones]] can only have one carrier and anything heavier than 100 units will have a higher weight number than the [[Pikmin limit]]. For the minimum strength and maximum number of carriers on a [[ship part]], [[treasure]], [[enemy]] or [[fruit]], please visit the appropriate page and read the "Weight" and "Max. carriers" attributes on the infobox at the top-right corner of the article. | ||
When something is being carried, two numbers will appear on top of it, which indicate the strength of the carriers and the object's weight. These numbers will only appear on the [[HUD]] if the object has any carrier Pikmin on it. In ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2'', the number of Pikmin needed to carry the object will be on the top, while the number of Pikmin carrying the object will be below it. This was reversed in ''Pikmin 3'', likely to make more sense as a fraction. More information can be found [[HUD#Fraction numbers|here]]. | When something is being carried, two numbers will appear on top of it, which indicate the strength of the carriers and the object's weight. These numbers will only appear on the [[HUD]] if the object has any carrier Pikmin on it. In ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2'', the number of Pikmin needed to carry the object will be on the top, while the number of Pikmin carrying the object will be below it. This was reversed in ''Pikmin 3'', likely to make more sense as a fraction. More information can be found [[HUD#Fraction numbers|here]]. | ||
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That said, if Winged Pikmin take flight and grounded Pikmin stay latched on, those Pikmin will also count as carrying the object, until the moment they let go. This has an impact on the speed at which the object moves, in that the object is carried more quickly when there are grounded Pikmin still clinging on, and becomes slower when those Pikmin detach.{{cite youtube|rname=cling}} So, for this scenario, the "real" maximum number of carriers can actually be considered the "regular" maximum times two (e.g. 10 grounded Pikmin clinging on + 10 Winged Pikmin lifting the object). | That said, if Winged Pikmin take flight and grounded Pikmin stay latched on, those Pikmin will also count as carrying the object, until the moment they let go. This has an impact on the speed at which the object moves, in that the object is carried more quickly when there are grounded Pikmin still clinging on, and becomes slower when those Pikmin detach.{{cite youtube|rname=cling}} So, for this scenario, the "real" maximum number of carriers can actually be considered the "regular" maximum times two (e.g. 10 grounded Pikmin clinging on + 10 Winged Pikmin lifting the object). | ||
If Winged Pikmin are carrying something through the air and the player orders grounded Pikmin to help carry it (via [[charge]] or [[throw]]), most of the Pikmin will get close and become idle, although some might actually jump and cling on to the object, only to let go after a second. | If Winged Pikmin are carrying something through the air and the player orders grounded Pikmin to help carry it (via [[charge]] or [[throw]]), most of the Pikmin will get close and become [[idle]], although some might actually jump and cling on to the object, only to let go after a second. | ||
==Returning== | ==Returning== | ||
In {{p3}}, Pikmin that carry a [[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berry or [[nugget]] to the [[S.S. Drake]], deliver a grape from the [[Dawn Pustules]] or [[Dusk Pustules]], or fit a piece of a [[bridge]] or [[hay]] will start making their way back to the location they started carrying from. If there's nothing else to do there, they idle, but if there are more objects to collect, they will begin working on that automatically. | In {{p3}}, Pikmin that carry a [[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berry or [[nugget]] to the [[S.S. Drake]], deliver a grape from the [[Dawn Pustules]] or [[Dusk Pustules]], or fit a piece of a [[bridge]] or [[hay]] will start making their way back to the location they started carrying from. If there's nothing else to do there, they [[idle]], but if there are more objects to collect, they will begin working on that automatically. | ||
In {{p4}}, Pikmin will indefinitely return to Burgeoning Spiderworts, but will avoid returning to the original location of a pile of nuggets or raw materials if the game calculates that they would have nothing to carry back once they arrive. For example, if 15 Pikmin are instructed to carry back a pile of 15 nuggets, none will attempt to return. If 15 Pikmin are instructed to carry back a pile of 40 nuggets, all 15 Pikmin will return for a second time, but only 10 will return for a third time, since only 10 nuggets remain on the pile. | |||
The calculation determining how many Pikmin return is made the moment an individual Pikmin reaches the [[S.S. Beagle]], and takes into account how many Pikmin are returning and how many are currently carrying nuggets from the pile, even if the Pikmin cannot see each other. Once the Pikmin either chooses to return to the pile or stay idle at the ship, they will stop regarding changes in the nugget pile. This results in too few Pikmin returning to the pile (in the situation that the number of nuggets goes up, usually due to Pikmin deaths mid-transport), or the situation where too many Pikmin return, leaving some idle at the pile (in the situation that the number of nuggets goes down, usually due to the player setting more Pikmin on the pile as the other Pikmin are returning to it). | |||
For | For the path Pikmin take on return trips, Pikmin follow the same routing as they would when carrying something. In addition, they can also move in a circle if there's an obstacle in front of their path. This can be seen by throwing Pikmin to the northeasternmost point of the area in [[Silver Lake Remix]] in ''Pikmin 3'''s Mission Mode, and waiting for the Pikmin to grab a grape, drop down, deliver it, and return to idle near the electric gate. | ||
==Paths== | ==Paths== | ||
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In the main series, the game calculates which path the Pikmin should take by examining all possible paths that reach the destination, and discarding those that are blocked. A path is considered blocked if a bridge within is unbuilt, if an uncleared [[gate]] is in the way, or if any other [[obstacle]] is blocking the path. In the case of multiple possible paths, the shortest one is picked. If the only available path is blocked, the Pikmin will follow it as far as they can, until they reach the obstacle, where they will move around in a small circle, waiting for it to be cleared. | In the main series, the game calculates which path the Pikmin should take by examining all possible paths that reach the destination, and discarding those that are blocked. A path is considered blocked if a bridge within is unbuilt, if an uncleared [[gate]] is in the way, or if any other [[obstacle]] is blocking the path. In the case of multiple possible paths, the shortest one is picked. If the only available path is blocked, the Pikmin will follow it as far as they can, until they reach the obstacle, where they will move around in a small circle, waiting for it to be cleared. | ||
The paths in-game are consisted of interconnected waypoints forming a {{w|Graph (mathematics)|graph}}. These points are not visible to the player, nor are the paths in-between. Whenever the Pikmin begin carrying an object, they move to the nearest waypoint on the map. Once there, they follow the calculated path, walking in a straight line from waypoint to waypoint, until they reach their destination. Should the closest waypoint be on the other side of | The paths in-game are consisted of interconnected waypoints forming a {{w|Graph (mathematics)|graph}}. These points are not visible to the player, nor are the paths in-between. Whenever the Pikmin begin carrying an object, they move to the nearest waypoint on the map. Once there, they follow the calculated path, walking in a straight line from waypoint to waypoint, until they reach their destination. Should the closest waypoint be on the other side of a wall, the Pikmin will attempt to go for it regardless. This can lead to them getting stuck behind the wall; see [[#Oversights|oversights]]. | ||
Once Pikmin begin | Once Pikmin begin to carry an object, they will decide on their path and stick to it, even if a shorter path becomes available while they are carrying. Pikmin only re-calculate their path if the load is dropped or (in ''Pikmin'' or ''Pikmin 2'') if the carrying speed changes. In ''Pikmin 4'', Pikmin are instead aware of route updates and will change their path immediately. | ||
In ''Pikmin | In ''Pikmin'', paths only enter [[water]] if there is no possible dry path, meaning bridges must be built instead of allowing [[Blue Pikmin]] to shortcut through the water.<!--p2?--> If entering water is required, Pikmin will gladly do so even if this would kill them. By comparison, if something is being carried by only Blue Pikmin in ''Pikmin 3'', and any part of the path (past or planned) crosses water, only Blue and [[Winged Pikmin]] will naturally join them. Stopping the transport once the water is cleared will recalculate a new fully-dry path and allow other colors to join. | ||
While in a [[cave]], Pikmin will never take a path that the player has not yet themselves explored nearby.{{cite youtube|uECUbCvuSrA|where Pikmin don't take the watery path that is closer, but go the long way around, since the player never explored the water path|m=28|s=25}} | |||
=== Charts === | === Charts === | ||
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==Speed== | ==Speed== | ||
{{game help|p3|Research the effect of Winged Pikmin on carrying speed.}} | {{game help|p3|Research the effect of Winged Pikmin on carrying speed.}} | ||
In general, the carrier Pikmin's maturity, whether they are [[Ultra-spicy spray|spicy]] or not, the number of carriers, and the type of the Pikmin all have an impact on how quickly the object is carried. | |||
In general, the carrier Pikmin's maturity, whether they are [[Ultra-spicy spray|spicy]] or not, the number of carriers, and the type of the Pikmin all have an impact on how quickly the object is carried | |||
===''Pikmin''=== | ===''Pikmin''=== | ||
The speed at which Pikmin carry an object in | The speed at which Pikmin carry an object in {{p1}} depends on the carrier Pikmin's [[maturity]] and total amount, and the object's weight and maximum number of carriers. | ||
Fan-driven research has resulted in the following formula for the speed at which Pikmin carry an object, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Sp'' refers to the [[maturity|stage]] of any given carrier Pikmin. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. | Fan-driven research has resulted in the following formula for the speed at which Pikmin carry an object, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Sp'' refers to the [[maturity|stage]] of any given carrier Pikmin. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. | ||
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===''Pikmin 2''=== | ===''Pikmin 2''=== | ||
The speed at which an object | The speed at which Pikmin carry an object in {{p2}} depends on several factors, like the [[Pikmin family|type]], [[maturity]], and [[ultra-spicy spray|spicy status]] of the carrier Pikmin, the total amount of carriers, the maximum amount of carriers for that object, the object's weight, and some other internal values. | ||
Fan-driven research{{cite web|http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31645335|【ピクミン２】運搬速度論 第1回|Nicovideo|published={{date|28|July|2017}}|retrieved={{date|2|March|2018}}}} has resulted in the following formula for carrying speeds, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Tp'' refers to any given carrier Pikmin's type, and ''Sp'' to its [[Maturity|stage]]. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. For the [[Doomsday Apparatus]], the weight and minimum carriers are both set to 1,000. | Fan-driven research{{cite web|http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31645335|【ピクミン２】運搬速度論 第1回|Nicovideo|published={{date|28|July|2017}}|retrieved={{date|2|March|2018}}}} has resulted in the following formula for carrying speeds, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Tp'' refers to any given carrier Pikmin's type, and ''Sp'' to its [[Maturity|stage]]. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. For the [[Doomsday Apparatus]], the weight and minimum carriers are both set to 1,000. | ||
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Based on RAM readings, the value each Pikmin contributes depends on the table specified in the formula above, and [[ultra-spicy spray]] makes the Pikmin count as a flower Pikmin in terms of carrying speed. This also means that using an ultra-spicy spray on a group of flower Pikmin has absolutely no effect on their carrying speed. | Based on RAM readings, the value each Pikmin contributes depends on the table specified in the formula above, and [[ultra-spicy spray]] makes the Pikmin count as a flower Pikmin in terms of carrying speed. This also means that using an ultra-spicy spray on a group of flower Pikmin has absolutely no effect on their carrying speed. | ||
Interestingly, any Pikmin carrying a leader will move at the fastest carrying speed possible, regardless of how many are carrying, their [[Pikmin family|type]], [[maturity]], or whether they're [[Ultra-spicy spray|spicy]] or not. | Interestingly, any Pikmin carrying a leader will move at the fastest carrying speed possible, regardless of how many are carrying, their [[Pikmin family|type]], [[maturity]], or whether they're [[Ultra-spicy spray|spicy]] or not. The same is true when carrying a [[Cupid's_Grenade|cherry]] in 2-Player Battle (this does not apply when carrying the same treasure outside of 2-Player Battle, however). | ||
===''Pikmin 3''=== | ===''Pikmin 3''=== | ||
The speed at which Pikmin carry an object in {{p3}} depends on the type, maturity, [[ultra-spicy spray|spicy]] status, and total number of carrier Pikmin, as well as the object's weight and maximum amount of carriers. | |||
Fan-driven research has resulted in the following formula for carrying speeds, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Tp'' refers to any given carrier Pikmin's type, and ''Sp'' to its [[Maturity|stage]]. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. Because of the values used by ''Pikmin 3'', it is possible for the formula to return a number smaller than 1, but in such cases, the game just clamps the value to 1, to stop Pikmin from carrying things too slowly. | Fan-driven research has resulted in the following formula for carrying speeds, where ''w'' is the object's weight, ''m'' is the object's maximum carrier number, and ''P'' is the set of all carrier Pikmin. ''Tp'' refers to any given carrier Pikmin's type, and ''Sp'' to its [[Maturity|stage]]. The final number is in an arbitrary unit of speed. Because of the values used by ''Pikmin 3'', it is possible for the formula to return a number smaller than 1, but in such cases, the game just clamps the value to 1, to stop Pikmin from carrying things too slowly. | ||
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While it is not known how much, [[Winged Pikmin]] carrying an object through the air travel at a slower pace than grounded Pikmin do. The carrying complications regarding Winged Pikmin also impact speed. If grounded Pikmin are carrying an object, adding Winged Pikmin to the object will not increase its carrying speed. However, if there are not enough grounded Pikmin to carry, Winged Pikmin will add speed at the same rate as a grounded Pikmin.{{cite youtube|RtH81Hab5r0|showing speed visibly slowing when the final grounded Pikmin to carry is added.}} As mentioned above, this formula applies even as an object is being lifted into the air and grounded Pikmin are clinging on to it. | While it is not known how much, [[Winged Pikmin]] carrying an object through the air travel at a slower pace than grounded Pikmin do. The carrying complications regarding Winged Pikmin also impact speed. If grounded Pikmin are carrying an object, adding Winged Pikmin to the object will not increase its carrying speed. However, if there are not enough grounded Pikmin to carry, Winged Pikmin will add speed at the same rate as a grounded Pikmin.{{cite youtube|RtH81Hab5r0|showing speed visibly slowing when the final grounded Pikmin to carry is added.}} As mentioned above, this formula applies even as an object is being lifted into the air and grounded Pikmin are clinging on to it. | ||
In addition, if there are 66 or fewer Pikmin in the area, Winged Pikmin will carry like normal, but if there are 67 or more, Winged Pikmin will start carrying things slower, at around only 70% of their normal speed. If Pikmin are added or removed from the field as Winged Pikmin are carrying, their speed will get adjusted right away according to this rule. The exact values and reasons for this are currently not known. | |||
===''Hey! Pikmin''=== | |||
In {{hp}}, carried objects always travel at the same speed, which is slower than their standard walking speed. | |||
===''Pikmin Bloom''=== | |||
In {{pb}}, carried objects on [[expedition]]s have their speed calculated in a very different way to how it is done in the main games. The system used to determine speed is described [[Expedition#Speed|here]]. | |||
==Strategies== | ==Strategies== | ||
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{{todo|Get more generic strategies, like finding out the best option between having several, weak Pikmin carry something, or few, strong and slow Pikmin, and other stuff like that.}} | {{todo|Get more generic strategies, like finding out the best option between having several, weak Pikmin carry something, or few, strong and slow Pikmin, and other stuff like that.}} | ||
To save time, you can [[whistle]] Pikmin carrying a [[ship part]], [[treasure]] or [[fruit]] when they're almost done delivering, and you have other Pikmin that are carrying something on their way to the same ship. The Pikmin you whistle will let go off the object and come to you, and when the next group of Pikmin come, they will deliver their object, stay idle, notice the nearby object, and carry that as well. This depends on the number of Pikmin carrying the first and second object, as well as its radius, and how far away the first object is from the second group of Pikmin when they deliver their item. It is a weak strategy, one that saves no more than a few seconds, but of relative importance for [[speedrun]]s. | To save time, you can [[whistle]] Pikmin carrying a [[ship part]], [[treasure]] or [[fruit]] when they're almost done delivering, and you have other Pikmin that are carrying something on their way to the same ship. The Pikmin you whistle will let go off the object and come to you, and when the next group of Pikmin come, they will deliver their object, stay [[idle]], notice the nearby object, and carry that as well. This depends on the number of Pikmin carrying the first and second object, as well as its radius, and how far away the first object is from the second group of Pikmin when they deliver their item. It is a weak strategy, one that saves no more than a few seconds, but of relative importance for [[speedrun]]s. | ||
When Pikmin are carrying some objects down a ledge, it may be faster to [[whistle]] them when the object is on the edge, so that they let go, and make it fall down and slide forward rapidly. This only applies to a few edges (e.g. the edge with the 5-pellet [[Pellet Posy]] at the landing site of the [[Valley of Repose]]). | When Pikmin are carrying some objects down a ledge, it may be faster to [[whistle]] them when the object is on the edge, so that they let go, and make it fall down and slide forward rapidly. This only applies to a few edges (e.g. the edge with the 5-pellet [[Pellet Posy]] at the landing site of the [[Valley of Repose]]). | ||
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**[[Enemy]] corpses | **[[Enemy]] corpses | ||
**[[Pellet]]s | **[[Pellet]]s | ||
**[[Leader]]s (in {{ | **[[Leader]]s (in {{p1}}, and also in {{p2}} after collecting the [[Napsack]]) | ||
**[[Marble]]s, [[Cupid's Grenade|cherries]], and other fruit in [[2-Player Battle]] and [[Bingo Battle]] | **[[Marble]]s, [[Cupid's Grenade|cherries]], and other fruit in [[2-Player Battle]] and [[Bingo Battle]] | ||
**[[Treasure]]s, [[Sneak Bomb]]s, and [[Dandorium]] in [[Dandori Battle]]s | |||
*To the [[S.S. Dolphin]]: | *To the [[S.S. Dolphin]]: | ||
**[[Ship part]]s | **[[Ship part]]s | ||
*To the [[Hocotate | **[[Raw material]] | ||
**[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries | |||
*To the [[Hocotate ship]]: | |||
**[[Treasure]]s | **[[Treasure]]s | ||
**[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries | **[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries | ||
*To the [[Research Pod]]: | *To the [[Research Pod]]: | ||
**[[ | **[[Treasure]]s | ||
**[[Enemy]] corpses | **[[Enemy]] corpses | ||
**Leaders when [[Lie down|lying down]] ([[Napsack]] required) | **Leaders when [[Lie down|lying down]] ([[Napsack]] required) | ||
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**[[Fruit]] (Pikmin carrying [[Dawn Pustules]] or [[Dusk Pustules]] will return to the site of the fruit afterwards) | **[[Fruit]] (Pikmin carrying [[Dawn Pustules]] or [[Dusk Pustules]] will return to the site of the fruit afterwards) | ||
**[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries (Pikmin will return to the Burgeoning Spiderwort afterwards) | **[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries (Pikmin will return to the Burgeoning Spiderwort afterwards) | ||
**[[ | **[[Gear]] | ||
*To the [[SPERO]]: | *To the [[SPERO]]: | ||
**[[Fruit]] | **[[Fruit]] | ||
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**[[Heart]]s | **[[Heart]]s | ||
*To nowhere (remaining in the player's [[squad]]): | *To nowhere (remaining in the player's [[squad]]): | ||
**[[Bomb rock]]s ([[Yellow Pikmin]] only in {{ | **[[Bomb rock]]s ([[Yellow Pikmin]] only in {{p1}}) | ||
**[[Mine]]s | **[[Mine]]s | ||
**[[Fire starter]]s | |||
**[[Scrummy bone]]s | |||
*To the player's [[Mii]] in {{pb}}: | *To the player's [[Mii]] in {{pb}}: | ||
**[[Seedling]]s | **[[Seedling]]s | ||
**[[Fruit (Pikmin Bloom)|Fruit]] | **[[Fruit (Pikmin Bloom)|Fruit]] | ||
**[[Decor Pikmin|Gift boxes]] | **[[Decor Pikmin|Gift boxes]] | ||
*To the [[S.S. Beagle]]: | |||
**[[Treasure]]s | |||
**[[Raw material]] | |||
**[[Nugget]]s | |||
**[[Burgeoning Spiderwort]] berries | |||
**[[Enemy]] corpses | |||
**[[Castaway]]s | |||
**[[Leafling]]s | |||
*To building locations in {{P4}}: | |||
**[[Clay]] | |||
==Oversights== | ==Oversights== | ||
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==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
[[File:Pikmin carry size change.png| | [[File:Pikmin carry size change.png|thumb|Purple and White Pikmin change in size while carrying.]] | ||
*In ''Pikmin 2'' and ''Pikmin 3'', if Pikmin are carrying something, the [[music]] will change to a slightly more upbeat and cheerful variation. In ''Pikmin 2'', this only happens if they're carrying a treasure, and if the player is near them, however. | *In ''Pikmin 2'' and ''Pikmin 3'', if Pikmin are carrying something, the [[music]] will change to a slightly more upbeat and cheerful variation. In ''Pikmin 2'', this only happens if they're carrying a treasure, and if the player is near them, however. | ||
*In ''Pikmin 2'', [[Purple Pikmin|Purple]] and [[White Pikmin]] will change to the size of a standard Pikmin when they are carrying something. | *In ''Pikmin 2'', [[Purple Pikmin|Purple]] and [[White Pikmin]] will change to the size of a standard Pikmin when they are carrying something. | ||
*In ''Pikmin 3'', Pikmin that are blocked in all possible paths will idle with their load in a tight circle. Interestingly, touching the spoils with a leader will cause the Pikmin to pause for a few seconds before resuming their circling. With lighter objects, the leader can even push the Pikmin around as though on a low-friction surface, before the Pikmin return to their idling spot. | *In ''Pikmin 3'', Pikmin that are blocked in all possible paths will [[idle]] with their load in a tight circle. Interestingly, touching the spoils with a leader will cause the Pikmin to pause for a few seconds before resuming their circling. With lighter objects, the leader can even push the Pikmin around as though on a low-friction surface, before the Pikmin return to their idling spot. | ||
*In ''Pikmin 3'' if a non-[[Winged Pikmin]] tries to carry a pink [[pellet]] out from the zone where the Winged Onion is first found, the Pikmin will not walk past the bridge and start walking in circles, possibly as a way to prevent the player from getting rid of a helpful Winged Pikmin growing tool. This behavior disappears after the Winged Onion merges with the Master Onion. | *In ''Pikmin 3'' if a non-[[Winged Pikmin]] tries to carry a pink [[pellet]] out from the zone where the Winged Onion is first found, the Pikmin will not walk past the bridge and start walking in circles, possibly as a way to prevent the player from getting rid of a helpful Winged Pikmin growing tool. This behavior disappears after the Winged Onion merges with the Master Onion. | ||
*In ''Hey! Pikmin'', if a Pikmin is carrying a [[heart]] and gets stuck around an obstacle, and the Pikmin goes into an idle state before it returns the heart to Olimar (which could be caused by the Pikmin being separated for too long over too great a distance), then upon finding the Pikmin in its idle state, the heart it was carrying will be gone. | *In ''Hey! Pikmin'', if a Pikmin is carrying a [[heart]] and gets stuck around an obstacle, and the Pikmin goes into an idle state before it returns the heart to Olimar (which could be caused by the Pikmin being separated for too long over too great a distance), then upon finding the Pikmin in its idle state, the heart it was carrying will be gone. | ||
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==Names in other languages== | ==Names in other languages== | ||
{{foreignname | {{foreignname | ||
| | |Jap=運ぶ | ||
| | |JapR=Hakobu | ||
| | |JapM=Carry | ||
|ChiTrad=搬運/運送 | |||
|ChiTradR=Bānyùn/Yùnsòng | |||
|ChiTradM=Carry | |||
|ChiSimp=搬运 | |||
|ChiSimpR=Bānyùn | |||
|ChiSimpM=Carry | |||
|Fra=Transporter/Porter | |Fra=Transporter/Porter | ||
|FraM=Transport/Carry | |FraM=Transport/Carry | ||
|Ger=Tragen/Bringen | |||
|GerM=Carry/Bring | |||
|Ita=Portare/Trasportare | |||
|ItaM=Carry/Transport | |||
|Kor=운반하다 | |||
|KorR=unbanhada | |||
|KorM=Carry | |||
|Spa=Transportar/Llevar | |||
|SpaM=Transport/Carry | |||
|PorP=Carregar | |||
|PorPM=Carry | |||
|PorPN=Name taken from the ''Pikmin'' instruction manual. | |||
|notes=y | |notes=y | ||
}} | }} | ||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
*[[Weight]] | |||
*[[Throw]] | *[[Throw]] | ||
*[[Obstacle]] | *[[Obstacle]] | ||