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:: If we decide that it would be more clear to make these changes, then we could do those kinds of things. But we'd probably need to come up with standard rules to avoid everything having to be decided on a case-by-case basis. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | :: If we decide that it would be more clear to make these changes, then we could do those kinds of things. But we'd probably need to come up with standard rules to avoid everything having to be decided on a case-by-case basis. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | ||
::: The unfortunate part is that things will need to be addressed case by case. The big ones right now would be incorrect family names, which would definately need the support of a group of people combing everything. Luckily, we have everything documented as being an incorrect translation, and we have (or at least HAD) people willing to go through and correct these annoying errs. Next would be the EVER oh so fun ACB vs HCB thing, which we also have everything documented. From there, any sort of minor issues would be corrected as they come forward. Hopefully, with 4 onward, we see a significant decrease in these large errs, especially with Japanese studios being now much harsher on localizers and translators in the industry. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 19:40, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:One thing that's come to mind with this is Garden. Pikmin Garden is solely in Japanese, with the US site translating rather slowly, and UK basically getting nothing. In my head, I can see us simply tackling things with Garden vs the translations and going with that, leaving a section for each article. However, I understand this might not be the most desirable (tho Soprano, even you have told me to wait for the US site to wait for translations). Garden offers a lot of interesting lore, such as confirming Waterwraith's JP name is based off of Umibozu, and explaining why Wollywogs are called potato frogs. It even explained how the Man at Legs exists biologically. With allowing for JP info to be a thing and following through on this, we can catalogue a lot more information. I know youve stated the wiki should focus gameplay first, adding lore and such like this definately boosts people checking out the wiki, but also people's interest in Pikmin as a whole. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 23:57, January 26, 2024 (EST) | :One thing that's come to mind with this is Garden. Pikmin Garden is solely in Japanese, with the US site translating rather slowly, and UK basically getting nothing. In my head, I can see us simply tackling things with Garden vs the translations and going with that, leaving a section for each article. However, I understand this might not be the most desirable (tho Soprano, even you have told me to wait for the US site to wait for translations). Garden offers a lot of interesting lore, such as confirming Waterwraith's JP name is based off of Umibozu, and explaining why Wollywogs are called potato frogs. It even explained how the Man at Legs exists biologically. With allowing for JP info to be a thing and following through on this, we can catalogue a lot more information. I know youve stated the wiki should focus gameplay first, adding lore and such like this definately boosts people checking out the wiki, but also people's interest in Pikmin as a whole. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 23:57, January 26, 2024 (EST) | ||
:: This is more on the topic of how much media from outside the games should count as canon, which is different from regional differences but is worth talking about. In my opinion, all content from official websites that doesn't contradict the games is debatable canon, not full canon. If it contradicts the games then it's non-canon. While the information in Pikmin Garden is interesting, we shouldn't be documenting it at the same level as the games. But what do other people think about this? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | :: This is more on the topic of how much media from outside the games should count as canon, which is different from regional differences but is worth talking about. In my opinion, all content from official websites that doesn't contradict the games is debatable canon, not full canon. If it contradicts the games then it's non-canon. While the information in Pikmin Garden is interesting, we shouldn't be documenting it at the same level as the games. But what do other people think about this? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | ||
::: A good amount of Garden's information is already brought in to 4, for example, the whole thing with Horned Cannon Beetles being invasive to Armored, as well as them breeding mutations, is both on Garden, but also in game in the Piklopedia. However, other bits of info, such as explaining Space Dogs and what not, isn't so cut and dry. However, I do feel Garden should be treated as an official, first hand source because, well it is. It would be the same as documenting information from official artbooks or other such portions of media. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 19:40, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Since the topic of regional differences (especially relating to [[canon]]) is hugely unclear, I think a full policy to address this is required instead of stuffing it in along with [[Pikipedia:Canon policy|the canon policy]]. I've drafted one here: [[User:SupremeKirb/Localization policy]] - [[User:SupremeKirb|SupremeKirb]] ([[User talk:SupremeKirb|talk]]) 19:58, February 10, 2024 (EST) | :Since the topic of regional differences (especially relating to [[canon]]) is hugely unclear, I think a full policy to address this is required instead of stuffing it in along with [[Pikipedia:Canon policy|the canon policy]]. I've drafted one here: [[User:SupremeKirb/Localization policy]] - [[User:SupremeKirb|SupremeKirb]] ([[User talk:SupremeKirb|talk]]) 19:58, February 10, 2024 (EST) | ||
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::: I just don't know if that's practical or even feasible for Pikipedia. We already struggle enough with getting Japanese information, and the series is translated into a whole bunch of languages. Often the European language translations are based off NoA's or NoE's English first, and they don't always offer any new information. That being said, considering other languages can be useful, as mentioned in the {{hp}} example in the draft. What do you think could be changed? [[User:SupremeKirb|SupremeKirb]] ([[User talk:SupremeKirb|talk]]) 20:33, February 10, 2024 (EST) | ::: I just don't know if that's practical or even feasible for Pikipedia. We already struggle enough with getting Japanese information, and the series is translated into a whole bunch of languages. Often the European language translations are based off NoA's or NoE's English first, and they don't always offer any new information. That being said, considering other languages can be useful, as mentioned in the {{hp}} example in the draft. What do you think could be changed? [[User:SupremeKirb|SupremeKirb]] ([[User talk:SupremeKirb|talk]]) 20:33, February 10, 2024 (EST) | ||
::: I mean, the big reason we're focused in on English vs Japanese is because A, the game is Japanese, and B, we are an English site. While, yes, other localizations need to be considered, we can't just sit around and wait for a policy change because we need representation from every language at the UN. Even then, we already document a good chunk of names and other sort of regional differences as is. I'm certain there are plenty of polyglot users who would be willing to contribute things if they were allowed to. | |||
I think SupremeKirb's proposal is the best bet we have moving forward. We can obviously make modifications and changes as we go, but I think it's bad faith to just sit on this policy and have it be perfect right out the gate. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 19:40, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
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