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 *...that the fruits and enemies shown in the buttons of the [[Mission Mode menu]] are randomly selected?
 *...that the changing colors in ''Pikmin 3''{{'s}} [[Onion]] follow a pre-determined pattern?
-*...that early versions of {{p}} shown in trailers showed more than [[100 Pikmin limit|100 Pikmin on the field]] at once?
+*...that early versions of {{p1}} shown in trailers showed more than [[100 Pikmin limit|100 Pikmin on the field]] at once?
 &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 00:38, October 17, 2020 (EDT)
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 *...that there are 4 types of stamps that appear on '''[[postcard]]s''' in {{pb}}?
 &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 23:05, January 13, 2022 (EST)
+:Good, but we need a "more info" article for the cutscene-speed-up one. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 15:41, January 15, 2022 (EST)
+We're going to need some more trivia from the other games soon, so here's some:
+*...that '''[[Lesser Spotted Jellyfloat]]s''' quietly sing a special song?
+*...that '''[[Hocotate]]''' is named after the address of [[Nintendo]]'s headquarters?
+*...that in '''[[Hey! Pikmin#During gameplay|some rare cases]]''', it's possible to have more than [[Pikmin limit|20 Pikmin at a time]] in {{hp}}?
+*...that the first sublevel of the '''[[Breeding Ground]]''' tries to spawn 60 [[Margaret]]s, but can't because there aren't enough available plant spots?
+*...that the '''[[Wistful Wild]]''' was originally going to be called the Land of Promise?
+*...that the appearance of [[fruit]] icons on {{p3d}}'s '''[[mini radar]]''' depends on which [[leader]] is being played as?
+&mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 16:25, February 4, 2022 (EST)
+:All right, but the one about Breeding Ground not spawning the right objects may need some discussion. The game fails to spawn objects all the time, sometimes [[Mistake#Missing important objects|important ones]]. Also, the fruit icons one needs to be studied more. The link in bold doesn't take the reader to anywhere with more information. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:29, February 7, 2022 (EST)
+Here are a few more I've thought of over the last few months:
+*...that the '''[[Hey! Pikmin planet|''Hey! Pikmin'' planet]]''' has no sun to orbit around?
+*...that the image of '''[[Koppai]]''' in {{p3}}{{'s}} opening cutscene is actually an edited picture of Earth?
+*...that {{p2}}{{'s}} pre-rendered '''[[cutscene]]s''' take up a majority of the storage space on the disc?
+*...that '''[[ultra-spicy spray]]''' slightly decreases the [[Combat|damage output]] of [[Purple Pikmin]] in {{p2}}?
+*...that the '''[[Thoroughbred Statue]]''' is found in a room shaped the same way as the treasure?
+*...that in the [[GameCube]] version of {{p1}}, walking in a cardinal direction relative to the camera '''[[Mistake#Olimar's movement|is slightly faster]]''' than walking diagonally?
+*...that {{p1}}{{'s}} [[enemy reel]] has the '''[[Swooping Snitchbug]]''' in the wrong place alphabetically?
+The third and fourth of these should probably be confirmed before adding them to the Main Page. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 22:19, October 1, 2022 (EDT)
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 :The challenge one and the badge one may become outdated in the future, and the other two aren't really interesting... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:37, December 24, 2021 (EST)
 ::That's a difficult thing about ''Bloom'' trivia points; as we've already found with the nectar one, they can easily go out of date due to updates. So we'll need to go with more general trivia that can't easily become incorrect. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 00:30, December 25, 2021 (EST)
+==Burrhead2's Suggestions==
+*...that an unused model of a Goomba exists in ''Pikmin''? And it looks very similar to an unused enemy from [[Mario:List of Super Mario Sunshine pre-release and unused content|''Super Mario Sunshine'']]?
+:I'd have linked to the [[Unused content in Pikmin]] page, but for some reason, it doesn't have the Goomba model documented.  Perhaps linking the respective TCRF pages would work better.  I'd have done ''that'' too, but I haven't figured that out yet.  Speaking of which...
+*...that [[Mario:List of Super Mario Galaxy pre-release and unused content|an unused item in ''Super Mario Galaxy'']] resembles a mix between the Beady Long Legs and Baldy Long Legs' main body?
+:The item in question (''spideritemball'') doesn't exist on the Mario Wiki's page (I think - I didn't look ''that'' closely).  Either it'll need to be inserted over there, or again, a TCRF link would do quite nicely.  It's colored the same as the Beady Long Legs' central orb, except it has the design of the Baldy Long Legs' one.  Except it has a vertical stripe, not a horizontal one.  It looks like an intermediate design between the two, or a mix, if you will.
+*...an unused enemy in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' resembles a [[Male Sheargrub]]?
+:Ditto, except now it's about ''larva''.  It's on The Cutting Room Floor's Galaxy page somewhere.
+*...that a ''Pikmin'' reference was considered for ''Super Mario Galaxy 2''?
+:While Mario Galaxy is the subject at hand, this.  I'm not sure if it's ''a reference'' or ''some references''.
+*...that [[Pikpik carrots]] are [[Unused content in Pikmin 3|a somewhat functional Pikmin type in ''Pikmin 3'']]?
+:Also missing from it's respective Pikipedia page.  Also exists on The Cutting Room Floor.  This trivia point exists for ''Pikmin 2'', why not ''Pikmin 3''?
+*...that ''Pikmin 2'' used to allow [[Pikmin 2 prerelease information|more than 100 Pikmin on the field]]?
+:this trivia point exists for ''Pikmin'', why not ''Pikmin 2''?
+*...that the Waterwraiths in [[Bully Den]] ignore Louie in 2-player mode?
+:Thinking about it, this is just probably a byproduct of how the game works.  The Waterwraith was probably only ever intended to search for the "active" leader, and apparently that status is given to Olimar in the 2-player modes.  And because it's 2-player, you can't ever switch leaders, so the "active" status is permanently attached to Olimar.  Not that this makes it any less interesting, it's just my best guess.
+*...that ''Pikmin 3'' is the only ''Pikmin'' game without an [[Emperor Bulblax]] fight?
+:There happens to be a ''Pikmin Bloom''-shaped wrench in this plan...
+*...that unlike [[Breadbug family|dwarf bulborbs]], [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s are actually juveniles?
+:Weak, to be sure, but maybe it's a somewhat interesting distinction.
+*...that there are two different stories about the creation of [[Pikmin (series)|''Pikmin'']]?
+:You've heard of ''Super Mario 128'', and also ''Adam and Eve'', so which is it?  Unless you want to say that Mario 128 turned in to Adam and Eve, which then turned in to Pikmin, which ''maybe'' that's true, maybe not.  It's hard to tell, and it's kind of confusing.  Heck, the [[Pikmin|game's page]] even has both.  Somewhat unrelated, I linked the series in the trivia, but maybe a link the game itself could also work.    [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 15:17, July 16, 2022 (EDT)
+::When it comes to covering unused content on Template:Did you know, we have to be very careful to make it clear that it's unused. People with many varying levels of ''Pikmin'' knowledge see this front-page template, and having unused content there could confuse some people. Also, we don't really document unused content in other games that resembles ''Pikmin'' stuff, because it doesn't fit on the [[Reference]] article. So with that in mind, I think the Goomba and Pikpik carrot trivia points are good, they just need a rewording.
+::I think the Waterwraith and Dwarf Bulbear trivia points are pretty good and interesting. You point out why the Emperor Bulblax one doesn't really work in this comment, and it's not that interesting anyway. As for {{p1}}'s creation story, my interpretation was that ''Adam and Eve'' was in development and wasn't going well, and ''Super Mario 128'' was just a tech demo that didn't really have anywhere to go, so they combined ideas from each game into ''Pikmin''. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 18:38, July 16, 2022 (EDT)
+:::I'm not really sure how to avoid getting someone confused with an unused content trivia point.  Of course, not to say that's my goal, but saying that "X is unused in ''Y''" seems like it would suffice.  It would just be easier to avoid the subject all together, but I think that would be missing out on some interesting things.  But if it's necessary to avoid it, then I'd say do it.  As it's currently written though, the Goomba point seems easy enough to understand.  It could maybe be simplified to just "''...that there is an unused model of a Goomba in ''Pikmin''?''", but I think that's missing out on the fact there's two similar things, in two very different games.
+:::As for the Pikpik carrot one, I think I see what you mean.  So how about: "''...that Pikpik carrots are an unused Pikmin type in ''Pikmin 3''?''"
+:::And as the "creation of ''Pikmin''" one, well, all we really know is that once Miyamoto said Mario 128 was the basis of ''Pikmin'', and that another he said was ''Adam and Eve''.  The connection between the two, if any, is a mystery. [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 21:50, July 16, 2022 (EDT)
+:*For the Goomba one, I think it's good, but I would like it if we had that documented on the wiki first. After all, DYK points should have a link to an article where the reader can find more info, and if we don't have that info, then something's wrong. Too bad the organization of unused content is all over the place... It'll be a big mission to tidy up.
+:*The spider item one is a bit sketchy. Party balls open like party balls &ndash; it doesn't need to be a Beady Long Legs reference. Plus the texture on it doesn't remind anyone of anything. But the fact that it has spider in the name is a bit telling. I don't know, it might all be too speculative in nature to work for a trivia point.
+:*The little larva fellow could just be a regular larva with long proboscises. I think it's best if we skip this one.
+:*That Pikmin reference one needs to be expanded upon. Was it something that Miyamoto said in an interview or something? Either way, it needs to be on Pikipedia to be applicable.
+:*The pikpik carrots one likewise needs to be in Pikipedia first, I'm afraid.
+:*The Dwarf Bulbear one could use some rewording so it's clearer for people who are new to the franchise.
+:*My interpretation is that Super Mario 128 was a tech demo, which sparked interest in creating a franchise with a lot of small moving creatures. Adam and Even was the first prototype to actually implement that idea, with many small humans, but it was ultimately scrapped for not being fun enough. The two being the forefathers of Pikmin makes total sense to me, it's not really that confusing. So I think it wouldn't make for all that great of a trivia point.
+:Everything else seems fine. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:55, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
+::So, it seems that A). The wiki is missing stuff, and B). There's room left for interpretation, it seems.  It shouldn't be ''too'' hard adding any missing stuff, (at least for the sake of these trivia points) and I wonder if some of these could be tightened up a bit, and remove some of the room for interpretation.  But on specific points,
+::*You may be right on the ''spideritemball'' thing.  Yeah, it doesn't ''need'' to be a reference, and yeah, it's pretty speculative.  It does seem a bit too on the nose to be a coincidence, though.  Although yes, this isn't the strongest of the bunch.
+::*I you wanted to stretch it a bit, the existence of other unused objects in Galaxy other than ''larva'' (that is, ''Cocoon'', ''BigFly'', and ''BigBigFly'') may show am evolution of it.  BigFly has a set of pincers like larva does, and BigBigFly even has an animation of it's pincers closing, meaning that larva could've acted (likely attacking Mario) in the same way the male Sheargrub does.  Despite these things though, larva and the Male Sheargrub still look pretty similar, regardless.
+::*With the Pikmin reference in Galaxy 2, I felt that this was probably known about for long enough that somebody somewhere would've added it to the wiki somewhere.  Thinking about it, I'm doubting I ever actually did see it on here.  And yes, it was in an interview.  I believe the idea of adding Pikmin and Donkey Kong references the the game were brought to him, but he turned it down, saying something about how Mario characters were short and fat, and easy to jump on, and Pikmin characters weren't.
+::*Okay, how about "...that [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s aren't a member of the [[Breadbug family]], and are actually juveniles?"  Or if it needs to be truncated, "...that [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s aren't a member of the Breadbug family?" or "... that Dwarf Bulbears are actually juveniles?" (or perhaps  ...''real juveniles?'').  Now I'm just kind of throwing stuff at the wall.
+::*The "creation of Pikmin" one may not have the absolute ''best'' idea I've ever come up with, so it may be best to just ax it, or maybe rewrite it.  Maybe to something along the lines of "...that it's possible that two different games went into the creation of ''Pikmin''?" or simply "...that two games went into the creation of ''Pikmin''?"  [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 11:38, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
+:::In general I guess the Mario Galaxy ones just aren't good enough for trivia. The idea of the Dwarf ones was to specify how they are juveniles of the Bulbear. Just saying they are juveniles doesn't really mean much -- even the Dwarf Bulborb might be a juvenile as far as we know. Just that it's a juvenile of a species we have yet to see as an adult. The games one is implying a lot. Super Mario 128 might be less of a game, more of a tech demo. Same for Adam and Even, and that one may have really just been a test program. Maybe Super Mario 128 spawned a lot of different off-shot experimental games, and one of them mutated to Pikmin. Maybe there are elements from other games that never saw the light of day. Just saying something like "Pikmin was inspired by Super Mario 128 and Adam and Even" is enough. Though it doesn't sound as "fun fact"-y as much as it sounds forced. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:12, August 24, 2022 (EDT)
+::::Hm.  I'm not really sure where to go with these things.  [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 16:49, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::I guess you can polish the ones that seem good, and discard the other ones for now. Maybe they can be revisited later on. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:29, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
+::::::I'll just make a list of the good ones.  Makes it easier to look at this way.
+::::::*...that ''Pikmin 2'' used to allow [[Pikmin 2 prerelease information|more than 100 Pikmin on the field]]?
+::::::*...that the Waterwraiths in [[Bully Den]] ignore Louie in 2-player mode?
+::::::*...that [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s are juveniles, unlike [[Breadbug family|dwarf bulborbs]], which are just mimics? / ...that [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s aren't mimics? / ...that despite [[Breadbug family|dwarf bulborbs]] being mimics, [[Dwarf Bulbear]]s aren't?
+::::::Feel free to rewrite, as necessary.  [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 18:28, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::::Wait a minute, Pikmin 2 allowing more than 100 Pikmin? Where is this info in the article? &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:00, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::::Two images under [[Pikmin 2 prerelease information#New Play Control! Pikmin 2 official website|this section]] have the total-Pikmin-on-field counter at >100.  [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 09:27, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
+::::::::Oh. Huh, that's not written in the article in text. I'll fix that. That said, I suspect those values are actually placeholders and aren't actually reflecting the Pikmin amount. I mean, "123"? That's pretty much like the "QWERTY" of numbers. Plus, Pikmin 1 had already been out at that time, so they have already cemented the 100-Pikmin number by that point. I'd instead propose it reads "that in prerelease images of Pikmin 2, the field Pikmin counter shows more than 100?". But yeah other than that, those tidbits seem good. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:38, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::::::Wait wait wait. I just noticed that's only one of the images. Another one shows 120. Well, shut me up :| &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:39, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::::::But under [[Pikmin 2 prerelease information#Other images|this section]] it has one at 110. [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 10:41, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
+== Adalent's Suggestion (I only have one rn) ==
+...that despite [[White Pikmin]] appearing in [[Mission Mode| ''Pikmin 3'''s mission mode]], [[Poison|poison]] never appears as a hazard?
+Adalent 22:20, July 18, 2023 (EDT)
+:I don't think that's really trivia. Poison resistance isn't the only attribute of White Pikmin, and ''Pikmin 3'' focuses on their other attributes. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 05:45, July 19, 2023 (EDT)
+== Pikmin 4 trivia ==
+* ...that the '''[[Olfactory Sculpture]]'''{{'s}} flame can harm Pikmin like any other [[fire]] source?
+* ...if you're inside some '''[[Ice|frozen]]''' enemies mashing {{button|switch|b}} to escape like the game says does not do anything?
+&mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 15:35, August 19, 2023 (EDT)
+...that several treasures including the [[Slapstick Crescent]], the macarons in the [[Sweet Tooth Series]], and the [[Personal-Injury Plank]] are directly based on [[Decor Pikmin]] from {{pb}}?
+--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 17:01, August 19, 2023 (EDT)
+== Soprano's new suggestions ==
+Starting a new section since the old one is long and it's been a while since it was last used. Here's some trivia points:
+*...that the flame of the '''[[Olfactory Sculpture]]''' is an actual [[fire]] hazard?
+*...that [[Dweevil family|Dweevils]] can pick up '''[[Scrummy Bone]]s'''?
+*...that '''[[Winged Pikmin]]''' in {{p3}} move slightly slower if there are more than 66 Pikmin in the field?
+*...that the image created by the '''[[Memory Fragment Series]]''' is the cover of ''{{w|Nintendogs|Nintendogs Dachshund & Friends}}''?
+*...that all 30 '''[[fruits]]''' in {{p3}} are also in {{p4}}?
+*...that '''[[Ice Pikmin]]''' are recommended Pikmin types in all but one [[area]] in {{p4}}?
+*...that it is possible to jump over some small ledges in {{p3d}} by '''[[Charge|charging]]''' while running towards them?
+*...that nearly 90% of the music samples in {{p}}{{'s}} [[Music in Pikmin|soundtrack]] come from the same two synthesizers, the '''[[Assets used in the Pikmin series#Audio|Kurzweil K2500R and Roland SC-88]]'''?
+*...that the background of the [[area selection menu]]s in {{p1}} and {{p2}} come from '''[[Assets used in the Pikmin series#Stock photography|real photographs of Hokkaido, Japan]]'''?
+&mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 04:42, October 28, 2023 (EDT)
+== Mistake ==
+I noticed one of these trivia points has a mistake. I'm talking about the one that says "...that the Shaggy Long Legs and Baldy Long Legs share the internal name and Japanese name of the Beady Long Legs, respectively?". Baldy and Beady have different Japanese names, but Baldy's article once mistakenly listed its name as being the same as Beady's. This is an older trivia point, though, so should it be changed or kept as is? [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 08:35, January 2, 2024 (EST)
+:If a trivia point has a mistake and isn't easy to fix, it's fine to remove it entirely. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 22:31, January 2, 2024 (EST)
+== Draven's suggestion ==
+Did you know that the only Pikmin game where the music continues to play during the countdown to sunset is Pikmin 3? {{unsigned|Draven}}
+:This is not true, as the music plays during the countdown in ''Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin 2''. In fact, ''Pikmin 4'' is the only game where it doesn't. That could make a trivia point, but I don't think it's interesting enough for this template. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 22:31, January 2, 2024 (EST)
+Here’s a better one I just found - When a swooping snitchbug picks up a purple Pikmin, it will immediately fall to the ground! [[User:Draven|Draven]] ([[User talk:Draven|talk]]) 14:22, January 3, 2024 (EST)
+:I don't think this is true in most games, just in ''Pikmin 4''. But if the game was specified, this could be a good trivia point. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 03:12, January 5, 2024 (EST)
+The hidden murals in ''Pikmin 3'' remain visible during side story missions
+[[User:Draven|Draven]] ([[User talk:Draven|talk]]) 12:48, January 7, 2024 (EST)
+:I don't think this is notable enough for this template. Also, for a trivia point to be used here, the fact needs to be documented on an article. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 16:15, January 7, 2024 (EST)