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:::: At least now we have the Piklopedia icons from Pikmin 2 switch, that gives us the original artwork in the highest possible quality. And from what I can tell, they aren't AI upscaled either.--[[User:NintendoPanda101|NintendoPanda101]] ([[User talk:NintendoPanda101|talk]]) 11:36, September 10, 2023 (EDT) | :::: At least now we have the Piklopedia icons from Pikmin 2 switch, that gives us the original artwork in the highest possible quality. And from what I can tell, they aren't AI upscaled either.--[[User:NintendoPanda101|NintendoPanda101]] ([[User talk:NintendoPanda101|talk]]) 11:36, September 10, 2023 (EDT) | ||
::::: But they aren't the original artwork, since they have a black border around them... — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Canon and regional differences on Pikipedia == | == Canon and regional differences on Pikipedia == | ||
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:::::: For your naming specific question, I don't see why we could not insert the scientific names of the creatures in "Names in other language", as a different table: it's a practice that already exists in area's page of 4 for example, to divide the name of the zone and the name of the base. In alternative, in the description of the scientific name it can be specified that the Japanese name is used in certain versions instead of the English ones. | :::::: For your naming specific question, I don't see why we could not insert the scientific names of the creatures in "Names in other language", as a different table: it's a practice that already exists in area's page of 4 for example, to divide the name of the zone and the name of the base. In alternative, in the description of the scientific name it can be specified that the Japanese name is used in certain versions instead of the English ones. | ||
::::::Also, changing the scientific name (for reference or otherwise) may not be only a Chinese/Korean issue: I'm almost certain that the scientific name for the Ancient Sirehound was changed in the Italian version, but I'll have to check again soon --[[User:BluePikminBestPikmin12345|BluePikminBestPikmin12345]] ([[User talk:BluePikminBestPikmin12345|talk]]) 05:18, January 10, 2024 (EST) | ::::::Also, changing the scientific name (for reference or otherwise) may not be only a Chinese/Korean issue: I'm almost certain that the scientific name for the Ancient Sirehound was changed in the Italian version, but I'll have to check again soon --[[User:BluePikminBestPikmin12345|BluePikminBestPikmin12345]] ([[User talk:BluePikminBestPikmin12345|talk]]) 05:18, January 10, 2024 (EST) | ||
::::::: Documenting the Chinese and Korean versions of the Japanese name would probably be a good idea, as well as changed scientific names if there are any, but that's more a topic for [[Template talk:Foreignname]] than here. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::: Hmm, I didn't know that some localized versions were sometimes translated from other localized versions than the original. In that case, we may have to handle conflict cases on a case-by-case basis, unless we can come up with some standard rules. As for documenting differences in other language versions, we can technically do that now, but it requires editors with the games in those other languages who want to document that kind of stuff. It's just not really feasible for it to become a standard thing, but it would be nice to encourage it. But I'm not sure how. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
:I'd like to ask if this would affect the classification of the Glowstem as belonging to the Glowcap family, or the Margaret belonging to the same family as the Creeping Crysanthemum as opposed to the Dandelions. Other family-related changes (Flint Bug, Mitite) were reverted in Pikmin 4, after all. [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 12:59, December 30, 2023 (EST) | :I'd like to ask if this would affect the classification of the Glowstem as belonging to the Glowcap family, or the Margaret belonging to the same family as the Creeping Crysanthemum as opposed to the Dandelions. Other family-related changes (Flint Bug, Mitite) were reverted in Pikmin 4, after all. [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 12:59, December 30, 2023 (EST) | ||
:: If we decide that it would be more clear to make these changes, then we could do those kinds of things. But we'd probably need to come up with standard rules to avoid everything having to be decided on a case-by-case basis. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
:One thing that's come to mind with this is Garden. Pikmin Garden is solely in Japanese, with the US site translating rather slowly, and UK basically getting nothing. In my head, I can see us simply tackling things with Garden vs the translations and going with that, leaving a section for each article. However, I understand this might not be the most desirable (tho Soprano, even you have told me to wait for the US site to wait for translations). Garden offers a lot of interesting lore, such as confirming Waterwraith's JP name is based off of Umibozu, and explaining why Wollywogs are called potato frogs. It even explained how the Man at Legs exists biologically. With allowing for JP info to be a thing and following through on this, we can catalogue a lot more information. I know youve stated the wiki should focus gameplay first, adding lore and such like this definately boosts people checking out the wiki, but also people's interest in Pikmin as a whole. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 23:57, January 26, 2024 (EST) | :One thing that's come to mind with this is Garden. Pikmin Garden is solely in Japanese, with the US site translating rather slowly, and UK basically getting nothing. In my head, I can see us simply tackling things with Garden vs the translations and going with that, leaving a section for each article. However, I understand this might not be the most desirable (tho Soprano, even you have told me to wait for the US site to wait for translations). Garden offers a lot of interesting lore, such as confirming Waterwraith's JP name is based off of Umibozu, and explaining why Wollywogs are called potato frogs. It even explained how the Man at Legs exists biologically. With allowing for JP info to be a thing and following through on this, we can catalogue a lot more information. I know youve stated the wiki should focus gameplay first, adding lore and such like this definately boosts people checking out the wiki, but also people's interest in Pikmin as a whole. --[[User:Jpmrocks|JPM]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks|talk]]) 23:57, January 26, 2024 (EST) | ||
:: This is more on the topic of how much media from outside the games should count as canon, which is different from regional differences but is worth talking about. In my opinion, all content from official websites that doesn't contradict the games is debatable canon, not full canon. If it contradicts the games then it's non-canon. While the information in Pikmin Garden is interesting, we shouldn't be documenting it at the same level as the games. But what do other people think about this? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Since the topic of regional differences (especially relating to [[canon]]) is hugely unclear, I think a full policy to address this is required instead of stuffing it in along with [[Pikipedia:Canon policy|the canon policy]]. I've drafted one here: [[User:SupremeKirb/Localization policy]] - [[User:SupremeKirb|SupremeKirb]] ([[User talk:SupremeKirb|talk]]) 19:58, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
:: I think the general content of this policy proposal is good, but it still focuses too much on the Japanese vs. US English angle, when other localizations need to be considered too. — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:24, February 10, 2024 (EST) | |||
=== The nature of canon === | === The nature of canon === | ||
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=== Structure of the canon pages === | === Structure of the canon pages === | ||
Some people (such as [[User:Flamsey|Flamsey]]) have commented that the way we document Pikipedia's position on the canon is quite strange, with some things documented on the [[Canon]] page and some things documented on [[Pikipedia:Canon policy]]. It is quite an unusual split and I'm not aware of any other game wiki that does things this way. Restructuring these pages to show the information in an easier-to-understand way would be a good idea, but how could this be done? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 01:05, December 28, 2023 (EST) | Some people (such as [[User:Flamsey|Flamsey]]) have commented that the way we document Pikipedia's position on the canon is quite strange, with some things documented on the [[Canon]] page and some things documented on [[Pikipedia:Canon policy]]. It is quite an unusual split and I'm not aware of any other game wiki that does things this way. Restructuring these pages to show the information in an easier-to-understand way would be a good idea, but how could this be done? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 01:05, December 28, 2023 (EST) | ||