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 It would be collapsible, like is now and would be separated by series. We could also do away with the [[Treasure Hoard#Treasures|treasures section]] since it is basically a carbon copy of the information above. Any thoughts, concerns? <span style="border:2px solid #001;background-color:#00BFFF;font-timesnewroman;">
-[[User:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:blue;">Pikmin</span></b>]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:#800080;">1254]]</span></b>
+[[User:Pikmin1254|'''<span style="color:blue;">Pikmin</span>''']][[User talk:Pikmin1254|'''<span style="color:#800080;">1254</span>''']]
 :Great idea! If everyone else approves I'll start making transparent images for the treasures. And Maybe the cave section should be changed to area/cave and carry weights could be added. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}
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 ::::I just added what I have so far. You'll see that some of the translations are pretty acceptable and probably accurate while others are horrendous. I'll see what I can do about them. [[User:GreenPikmin|GreenPikmin]] ([[User talk:GreenPikmin|talk]]) 13:48, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
 :::::Let me give it a try. I'll come back with results in some minutes. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 13:51, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
+:::::Done. I used all of my translating knowledge, but I think they're accurate enough now. Except for the "Zeni" one. I really couldn't wrap my head around that one at all. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:28, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
+::::::Good work. I did some searching and it seems that "zeni" means "money", which makes sense as a milk cap analogy to coins/yen. Also I figured out the unknown series name. If you can do a better translation than the one I gave that'd be great! [[User:GreenPikmin|GreenPikmin]] ([[User talk:GreenPikmin|talk]]) 18:03, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
+:::::::Oh yeah, "zeni" IS "money". Google Translate wasn't very helpful there, at first. I guess the name would then be "Highly Logical Money". Still iffy, but better than nothing... Anyway, the series name would be "Disk Mystery Series". &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 07:56, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
+==Treasure policy proposal==
+Here's what I think the treasure article policy should be based on what was already here and also what I felt the best organization method was when I did the Japanese treasures.
+'''Same name, different model'''
+These are the treasures with models that differ across versions. There should only be one article for each, but each model should have its own infobox even if no other properties are different. These all have the same sales pitch and most of these have the same journal entry. Those that don't will simply show the multiple versions in the same section. Most of them differ in location and a few of them may differ in value, weight, and max carriers also.
+*[[Arboreal Frippery]]
+*[[Decorative Goo]]
+*[[Master's Instrument]]
+*[[Time Capsule]]
+*[[Drone Supplies]]
+*[[Endless Repository]]
+*[[Stringent Container]]
+*[[Abstract Masterpiece]]
+*[[Activity Arouser]]
+*[[Hypnotic Platter]]
+*[[Happiness Emblem]]
+*[[Pondering Emblem]]
+'''Same model, different name'''
+These are pairs of treasures that have the same model, series, value, weight, and max carriers but differ in name, journal entry, sales pitch, and location. This is enough differences that they should all get their own article.
+*[[Broken Food Master]] / [[Divine Cooking Tool]]
+*[[Endless Repository]] / [[Perfect Container]]
+*[[Stringent Container]] / [[Survival Container]]
+'''Japanese treasures'''
+Because this is an English wiki, we don't need to worry about the Japanese version too much. So we'll base our articles off the US and European treasures, names, and properties. However, the 25 Japanese treasures that completely differ in model and icon deserve their own article using the best translations possible. Some of these treasures appear to have English counterparts, but this should only be mentioned in each other's articles and not share an article. Many of the other 176 treasures translate to names that are significantly different from their English ones, but these names should be ignored and let it be assumed that they are intended to be the same treasure as their English counterparts (though I do have a list of all the Japanese names that I can post if anyone is actually that interested).
+'''Treasure list default sorting'''
+In case you're wondering how this page is initially sorted, the order is by in-game number with priority going US > Europe > Japan (technically Japan should come first as it was the original treasure hoard but this would probably throw users off, though this could be changed in the future). Each treasure hoard icon only gets a single row, so any treasures that share an icon will share a row (this is the best way to do this, honestly I've tried everything else). The order gets complicated where there are region exclusive treasures, so the best effort is made to keep each series together while making sure that all three columns stay in order when reading down the list. The only exceptions are the Nutrient Silo and Alien Billboard, as there's no possible way these can be put into one column without messing up the order of the other.
+So there you have it. I modified many articles to abide by this policy and it seems like a good system for now. [[User:GreenPikmin|GreenPikmin]] ([[User talk:GreenPikmin|talk]]) 17:54, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
+:I agree with most of it, but I have some comments. For the treasures that are completely unique in the Japanese version, they obviously deserve their own article, and as we discussed before, they get a translated name. For treasures like the Flame of Tomorrow/Fire Hope, each version gets its own article too, to be similar to the "same model, different name" policy.
+:For the 176 Japanese treasures that are assumed to be the same as English treasures, we should disconnect from technical details and organization here for a second and look at it like any normal person would: if you showed a Flame Tiller in the English version and one in the Japanese version, to both a person that has Pikmin 2 context and one that doesn't, both would say it's the same treasure in a heartbeat. I think that's enough thought to be given to it: the 176 "similar" treasures are in fact the same treasures. The descriptions might change outside of Japan, but that's minor. All I mean is that we shouldn't treat them like they need special consideration; we shouldn't even overthink them.
+:For the Treasure Hoard, nobody likes the current layout, and it's always confusing, so I had an idea just a few minutes ago. We have a simple Javascript script that can create buttons to toggle between content. We can just have three buttons to toggle between the three region's tables. For people with Javascript off, they'd just see one table right after the other, which would also be a solution. It would remove the weird criss-crossing of numbers and footnotes, without any drawback. The ONLY drawback is for Javascriptless users, who get a bit of a longer page, but even then that's only a minor and rare inconvenience. Let me know what you think, and I'll implement it. For reference, it's something like this:
+{{switchable|US table|US treasure 1, US treasure 2|Europe table|EU treasure 1, EU treasure 2|Japan table|JP treasure 1, JP treasure 2}} &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 19:19, 20 March 2015 (EDT)