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::Great! Yeah, a bridge is kinda both, huh... But I guess if we think about it practically, the ''water body'' is the obstacle, the ''bridge'' is a tool used to surpass that obstacle. I vote for bridges being tools. This logic can also probably be applied to other cases, like water sac vs fire, high ledge vs Bouncy Mushroom, etc. That said, we might be able to further sub-divide, or at least sub-divide the obstacle list. Maybe between man-made and natural? Or between harmful and simply "in the way"? — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 17:07, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | ::Great! Yeah, a bridge is kinda both, huh... But I guess if we think about it practically, the ''water body'' is the obstacle, the ''bridge'' is a tool used to surpass that obstacle. I vote for bridges being tools. This logic can also probably be applied to other cases, like water sac vs fire, high ledge vs Bouncy Mushroom, etc. That said, we might be able to further sub-divide, or at least sub-divide the obstacle list. Maybe between man-made and natural? Or between harmful and simply "in the way"? — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 17:07, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:::Well, more important than the subdivision of the list is the process by which this article will be split. There are a lot of pages that link to the Obstacle article, mostly due to the row in [[Template:Infobox area]], and also all the images and templates for the different types of obstacles/tools. Splitting the article in two would require updating the area infobox template and all the pages that use it, which would be a lot of work. We'd also have to consider what to do about [[Template:Obstacles]] (perhaps it could be used for both), and there are likely other things that would have to be changed. So there's a lot to do; how should we go about this? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:19, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | :::Well, more important than the subdivision of the list is the process by which this article will be split. There are a lot of pages that link to the Obstacle article, mostly due to the row in [[Template:Infobox area]], and also all the images and templates for the different types of obstacles/tools. Splitting the article in two would require updating the area infobox template and all the pages that use it, which would be a lot of work. We'd also have to consider what to do about [[Template:Obstacles]] (perhaps it could be used for both), and there are likely other things that would have to be changed. So there's a lot to do; how should we go about this? — [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:19, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::::I'd honestly recommend we start from a clean slate on this. As more Pikmin games get released, we can't keep accumulating technical debt by lumping everything as an "obstacle". We should start splitting now, which means fixing everything, including all of those links. I actually don't think there are that many. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:06, March 20, 2022 (EDT) | |||