Editing Talk:The Forest Navel

Someone should map the forest navel.

==Valley of Repose==
Can we settle this? There's no question that they're different areas judging by the scenery, but the maps don't even look anything alike, save for one little alcove which isn't even shaped the same. It would also help if someone mapped it. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:Time changes many things... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 21:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::You're talking about an entire cave collapsing, leaving no rubble and no trace at all, being completely covered by dirt and then colonized by large trees. That doesn't happen overnight, and especially considering that all the other areas remain relatively unchanged, I just don't see why anyone still believes it if the maps don't even look similar. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

The scenery is different, but the map is the same. [[User:Fly Guy 2|Fly Guy 2]]

:No, it's not, that's my point. They look nothing alike. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::But remember how fast time goes? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:::And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees. Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

I thought the Forest Navel was a valley, not a cave....

He said that it looked like a belly button from above, and the Dolphin (Hypothetically) can't fly into caves. [[User:Dragonsandpikminrock|Dragonsandpikminrock]] 19:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:The cave is accessed by a opening in the roof where all the light pours in (right where the Dolphin lands, of course). The rest of the area is totally dark and the walls are made of solid stone. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

All that in the middle of the forest?
[[User:Dragonsandpikminrock|Dragonsandpikminrock]] 22:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's underground, yes. Even still, you can see decently sized clearing around the hole from the area selection screen. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::I tried avoiding this talk, but wouldn't it be a simple explanation to say the ceiling was removed and the ground shifted as it was with the others? I am ''not'' saying I think they are the same areas, I'm just questioning the previous comments.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:::See what I said about seven comments ago. The fact that the entire cave just disappeared and left no trace and was then colonized by woody trees, and yet all the other areas remain more or less the same just seems really unlikely. Again, I suppose it's somehow possible that the land around that area is particularly unstable (still doesn't explain the trees), but if the assumption that these places are the same is based solely on the fact that someone pointed out that the maps look similar, which you'll see if you compare them that they really don't (it would be nice if Green could screencap the FN map for us), then it isn't really an argument...not that you were agreeing with it, I'm just saying. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::Of course I read your comment before I posted. I'm merely saying the only thing changing would be a ceiling that disappeared. Then you'd have the same map, but above ground.

::::But now I have ask: Why are you talking about trees? The only ones you see are far off in the distance as a background.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 15:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:::::There are tree stumps just outside the boundaries of the level, and twigs which span some of the little "doorways." Trees can grow surprisingly fast, but it still would take years for them to get even close to being that big, and they can't grow through solid rock (although we don't really know exactly how deep the dirt areas in The Forest Navel are, but I think it's safe to assume that it isn't deep enough to support large tree roots). {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

{|
|[[File:Forest Naval map.jpg|200px]]
|[[File:VoR map.png|300px]]
|}

Thoughts? Personally, I see no similarities whatsoever.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 19:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:<nowiki>:/</nowiki> Thank you. The VoR map it right side up, right? I mean, north is facing the same direction as the other one? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::...Not sure. Can't remember. I can't see any orientation miraculously fitting, though.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 21:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

if you look at the maps the beady long legs arena is still there in the vor it just got bigger.

:Vor? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

::Valley of Repose. Also, just...no. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::''And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. '''Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees.''' Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}'' there's your explanation. K? If not go do something else wherever! (The point is: TUU MUCH SPECUMILATON! [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I read on Japan Pikmin website that VoR and FN are one in the same. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 04:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Of course! It all makes sense now! In all seriousness though, link please? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gpvj/index.html [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 04:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Where specifically does it say that? I found a page with nice pictures of the levels, which I'm assuming is where our pictures came from, but no highlightable text, and nothing that seems long enough to say that. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

HAHAHAHA PROOF AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!


前回オリマーが遭難した地域へ来たつもりが、最初に降り立った場所は微妙にずれていた。オリマーの持ち帰った遭難レポートの中の地域情報が欠落していたためだ。地域情報は、探索の中で徐々に修復していくことになる。

From the offical website. I guess now we have hard evidence that forest navel is vor. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 07:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:Link please, and an accurate translation? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:: First off, its funny how we both stay up all night on pikipedia, what was it, 3:00 when you posted that ^^ second, here the link.

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gpvj/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E3%2583%2594%25E3%2582%25AF%25E3%2583%259F%25E3%2583%25B3%2B2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DG

Click on the text in the top row, 2nd from the right. then the text near the spaceship, features of the earth. Go to the thing where the pencil and paper is and click on it. Thats where i got the text.

Now for an accurate translation...The intention of coming to the area where previous [orima] meets with a disaster got off, first and the place where it stands had slipped delicately. Is because regional information in the midst of the disaster report which [orima] is carried back has missed. Regional information in search means to keep restoring gradually.

[[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 08:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean second from the left. Anyway, yeah, that's what Babelfish gave me when I originally translated the text you gave. I ran it through Google, and it gave me: "To the distress ORIMA last came to the region in the first place was down slightly misaligned. The report brought distress ORIMA in the region because of missing information. Regional information, in the search and will gradually be restored." It clearly makes a reference to the crash, and I believe it's talking about how the planet is uncharted when it speak about "missing information," but I don't see anything which talks specifically about the Valley of Repose and The Forest Navel. There is a neat little picture just above that which would confirm that the Awakening Wood is The Forest of Hope, but... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

We still have the possibility that humans are still alive, just rare.--[[User:Prof.pikmin|Prof.]] 17:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think the Valley of Repose IS the Forest Navel. It DOES have the same layout, just the walls look different, leading to a map difference, the area where the Libra is is gone and the Beady Long Legs arena is more spherical. Also, it's at a different angle. My explanations for everything:
1. The walls are different. This is because the cave collapsed and left different walls.
2. The Libra's platform and the walkway to it are gone. it was above a            pit. A collapsing cave would have knocked it down.
3. Beady Long Legs Arena is more round. Cave collapse.
4. You said that it was strange that the Forest Navel could have collapsed and left no evidence of a collapse. Well, maybe there IS evidence of a collapse. It's not like you could see that under all that snow.
5. You said trees wouldn't grow in that small window of time. Don't forget, the Pikmin world is TINY. Those would just be tiny saplings to us.
So I think we know what happened now. [[User:Fly Guy 2|Fly Guy 2]]

:I have to agree; The Forest Naval does look just like VoR if you completely alter its appearance. [[User:Miles.|Miles.]] 23:27, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

::LOL, OK Fly guy, your saying in about whatever time it took olimar to get to Hocotate and back, A cave fell, The entire stage changed just because some rocks fell( thats just stupid) Snow covered All the wreckage of a GIANT cave in, Some how tree grew (even if just to saplings) All in about a what? hour? day? '''R to the''' [[User:Rpwyb|<b><span style="color Red">P to the</span></b>]][[File:Pikirbies.PNG|75px]]<b>[[User talk:Rpwyb|<span style="color:Purple">Wyb</span>]]</b>.
::Eintsein's theory of relativity states that time goes slower in higher gravitational fields, so when Olimar left the pikmin planet, time that went for him regularly was actually a lot more time for the pikmin, this explains why in his short time of being gone, so much happened. In other words, he may have been gone for 100+ years. I may be wrong and I might have it backwards. But if this is correct, it would explain the suppossed collapse of the FN and the shifts that made the VoR. This would also explain all of the differences in the other areas as well.

:: [[User:Lenny(red)|Lenny(red)]] 06:02, July 28, 2010 (UTC) Lenny


Time will tell. It always does. --[[User:Loafy the Breadbug|Loafy the Breadbug]] 10:21, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

:Well, to butt in to this conversation, I feel it necessary to explain my view of the situation. We don't know everything about space. We don't know everything about the Earth. We don't even know everything about the human body. What I heard was that in space, time is distorted in different areas of space, thus we have precisely what Lenny suggested. The Valley of Repose is probably the Forest Naval, just a different season and area of it.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 14:43, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== This Level Needs A Map ==

Hey, nice picture! Someone should turn that picture of the Forest Navel map into a map on the article page. I could do it, but I'd prefer someone else do it.

[[User:Litnin200|Litnin200]] 03:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Litnin200

:... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

to louie, the area he landed is the impact site. {{User:Redpikminflamethrower/Sig}}


= Wistful Wild =
OK, I know this is crazy but listen, on the map in Pikmin 1 the forest of hope is in the bottom left, with the distant spring in the top left. The impact site is located in the bottom right, the forest navel is in the top right. In pikmin 2 seeing as the peplexing pool is the distant spring, which is located in the same place as it was in the 1st game (Top left), that means that the Wistful Wild is where the forest navel is, or at least above it. So it's possible that a forest grew over the Forest Navel, while the Navel itself became the caverns in the Wistful Wild... does anybody agree? [[User:Joshazilla23]]

I agree and disagree at the same time, First off, Olimar landed in a hole which is the forest navel, he couldve landed above the forest navel or near it, but we have no proof, we could assume the forest navel is close to it but we shouldnt assume that this is directly above it.--[[User:Prof.pikmin|Prof.]] 15:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

OK then, it's a theory I worked out, so it shouldn't be taken into account. Reall it's a piece of 'serious' speculation. [[User:Joshazilla23]] 14:21, 12 April 2009 (GMT)

It's a possibility, and if that was the case then perhaps the Awakening Wood is the forest around the Impact Site... there's just so much controversy about what levels are which that I generally can't count on any single theory, kind of like the Zelda timeline. So confusing. Perhaps I'll write my theories about the Pikmin areas on my user page sometime. {{User:Portal-Kombat/sig}}

I can't believe what I'm hearing... the forest navel was covered with snow. Olimar is small so much has changed .--[[File:Kirbysig.jpg|left|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 19:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


== Map ==
As you probably know, I'm working on a Forest Navel map. I just wanted to know, do I mark the location of the fire geysers and bomb-rocks? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

:If it doesn't get too cluttered, then yeah. Just make the icons small or simple or something.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:Got it. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

is anybody other than me at this site right now?[[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 01:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:Me, why? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

i thought i was the only one here[[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 01:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm here too.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}} 01:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

ok[[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 01:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Sprouts ==
Every time I leave behind Pikmin at night at this level, they become sprouts. I feel like this should be noted on the article, unless it's a glitch. [[Special:Contributions/98.180.112.46|98.180.112.46]]
:Are you sure you're not just confusing it with flower Pikmin dying? When they die, they occasionally leave sprouts in the same place. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:33, 26 May 2013 (EDT)
::Oh. I wasn't aware of that, that explains a lot. There was an instance where the radar showed sprouts that didn't exist also. [[Special:Contributions/98.180.112.46|98.180.112.46]]