User talk:Deeb1324354657

Contact me here if you need anything! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 13:55, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Testing signature change: Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:49, July 12, 2024 (EDT)

Hey Deeb!

Welcome to Pikipedia! Glad to see you here. --Kirby Bulborb (talk) 22:32, July 23, 2024 (EDT)

Hi! Thanks for the warm welcome! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 22:41, July 23, 2024 (EDT)

No problem! --Kirby Bulborb (talk) 09:25, July 24, 2024 (EDT)

Nomination thing

Hello! I think you've got it backwards - usually nominating yourself is seen as bad, not the other way around, so go ahead!

P.S. I forgot to timestamp this message, so i will stamp it according to this edit instead. --Arcadius2006 (talk) 1:27, 7th December 2024 (GMT+1)

Oh yeah! I guess I forgot; on here I tend to see both self-nominations and nominations from others. Sorry!
Also, I don't know if you know this already and sorry if you do, but it's generally more common to reply to threads on the page they were started on, just for convenience. Thanks! Oh, and you can timestamp edits quickly and conveniently just by using ~~~~. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 19:36, December 6, 2024 (EST)

Oh! I didn't even realise replies were a thing here at first. Thanks for letting me know about them! --Arcadius2006 (talk) 05:28, December 7, 2024 (EST)

No problem! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 10:03, December 7, 2024 (EST)

Hi

Hi Deeb! --Cakelegs (talk) 13:19, January 24, 2025 (EST)

Cakelegs! It's been so long! Great to see you here! How are you doing? What brings you to the wiki? Deeb1324354657 (talk) 15:07, January 24, 2025 (EST)

The old Wiki is basically dead, so I decided to leave. --Cakelegs (talk) 21:06, January 24, 2025 (EST)

Yeah, the forum basically died when I left. Just letting you know that this wiki serves a different purpose; one of an actual wiki, haha, and not a forum. So if you're here to make conversation, you probably won't find much; I suggest Pikcord for that. But I'm always happy to talk here if you need anything. Do you plan on editing? Deeb1324354657 (talk) January 24th, 2025 (EST)

Already added that weird 101 Pikmin glitch from a while ago (I had to look through page history to find the post because the link was on your userpage) (Does it count as plagiarism if it wasn't actually on the other wiki)

I don't really know what you mean - that was on my userpage on the Fandom?
It's probably not plagiarism, because it's just documenting a fact and not copying any exact wording. Maybe you could ask for Fxvenny's thoughts as they're still a CM on the Fandom. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 08:15, January 25, 2025 (EST)

Hey from picked

I joined the fanon 107.115.147.35 11:48, April 27, 2025 (EDT)

Hi, Picked! By that do you mean the NIWA Pikmin Fanon wiki? Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:09, April 27, 2025 (EDT)

Idk how to continue these

I mean the one with the green flower. You’re just as nerdy as ever! Miss ya and talk as soon as I can! P<:)[—[ 166.198.157.110 14:46, April 29, 2025 (EDT)

Hello!

This is Gematarix. Due to a terrible past I've had, I didn't want to instantly disclose or link to everyone "Gematarix" to "Results May Vary," and rather let it open up gradually over time.

Anyway, I'm a member of this community too and will be willing to help you and Pikipedia with stuff as needed. Allow me to backtrack. Sorry, this is going to be quite a long message, and there's no way for me to keep it short.

I was originally divided from NIWA because zelda.fandom.com was part of the alliance in 2018-2022, despite being on Fandom, and I hated the weak response to something that was an inversion of logic. Now, PhantomCaleb, an exec over at the Zelda Wiki, was always in my friends list, even during the height of the conflict. I just wanted others to understand why I thought something was so illogical and that I felt it was ruining the integrity of several wikis, with my main concern being the Super Mario Wiki, which was my home wiki at the time. It culminated into a series of bans across majority of NIWA wikis when I made a proposal on the SMW to get rid of Zelda Wiki as an interwiki link to recognize them as a Fandom-owned wiki.

Now, an extremely funny (ironic) thing is that the reason I invested so much support into the independent wiki movement in 2018-2022 is because I was (and still am) a MonoBook diehard and I felt strongly about every wiki in existence looking like this. So I hoped morale to reinstating that wiki skin to as many places as possible, as well as the Super Mario Wiki format, was the way to go. Add that atop the old zelda.fandom.com controversy, and the whole thing was a recipe for disaster.

In spring 2022, when I was banned from multiple NIWA wikis, I didn't immediately go to Fandom full-time. I was doing some stuff on Miraheze. The RPG Gamer, the founder of Mariopedia (yes, I host this wiki now, but it was on Miraheze for nearly four years), was editing the Mario Wiki on Fandom a ton, so I decided to follow over.

I used to be on Discord but I've left it permanently since 3 years ago. No more causing trouble within NIWA communities, and I never really liked the platform and its consolidation of communities, to begin with. Everyone moved on and was pretty much like, "good riddance." PhantomCaleb came to check up on me later that year and see if I was okay, out of the kindness of his heart. I was genuinely moved by his consideration of me.

In 2023, with the hard-working efforts from RPG Gamer, me, and everyone else involved, the Mario Wiki on Fandom received over 5,000 articles that year, not to mention all the spam and duplicate articles removed.

By early 2024, I took charge of the Zelda Wiki on Fandom. I changed it to a green and gold style, since I still don't like the dark blue priority on Zelda wikis. But now here's the cool part: I manage diplomatic relationships with zeldawiki.wiki, and PhantomCaleb contacts me as needed. He isn't mad about me managing the Fandom wiki at all: He's relieved it's me and not some random kid running the wiki. For instance, I had to stop the 20th anniversary plans that the Fandom Zelda Wiki attempted so that it would not overlap with zeldawiki.wiki, since PhantomCaleb raised a really good point that the community spirit has forked, and I've been detaching that from the Fandom wiki.

Now recently, I started Mario Compendium (it was on SkyWiki, now I also host it!). I intended for it to be read by no one and just be me editing into the void. However, someone registered unexpectedly, there were connectivity issues on SkyWiki, and the user wanted a better experience or to have the wiki hosted elsewhere. Inside, I felt I had to provide a better experience, so I've been compelled to do paid wiki hosting, and it also gives me the benefit of being able to choose who comes on and who doesn't since I don't want to be bothered by random strangers on my own wikis.

The user in question is very into Animal Crossing and has had bad conflict with Nookipedia in the past. On the Animal Crossing Wiki on Fandom, I thought it would be necessary to extend the diplomacy I had begun with PhantomCaleb to someone over at Nookipedia, that being HylianAngel, since she is diligent at ensuring things at Nookipedia are attributed appropriately (or just not used on Fandom outright). The reason for this is because there is some material on PikloDex (again, another wiki I host!), like the Jacob article, that reuses from other Animal Crossing wikis, which PikloDex does allow for. At first, I didn't like that HylianAngel was content mod of AC Wiki on Fandom, but I've softened my stance ever since; that's besides the point, though.

The user is basically a Gematarix Jr. To quote from what I said here:

"There's no other way for me to describe it -- tons of seemingly impossible wiki endeavors, reuses work from other sources (i taught the user how to attribute properly & the user does not fail to do that), is on as many wikis as possible (within similar scope and range as me), creates articles on a subject on as many wikis as possible, and has caused trouble among NIWA wikis (namely Nookipedia, and a bit of Super Mario Wiki)."

And I'm worried about "Gematarix Jr." causing trouble on other wikis, like Nookipedia. And also consider the fact that I'm hosting some wikis, especially on behalf of junior, in part to discourage her from bothering other wikis like Nookipedia (especially) and Super Mario Wiki, as well as to provide a proper service for others who want to edit them (which there are!). I'm trying to protect the user and other communities, even if I do not necessarily get along with them.

Now taking the above into account, being a wiki host and there technically being a Gematarix Jr. in the wiki space who made a home within my wikis, I feel I need to confront my seclusion and fears of NIWA communities and be more diplomatic to a select few, to ensure the legalities behind the terms of the CC-BY-SA as well as GFDL are being met when reusing materials from wikis within the alliance. It's not about whether people like or dislike it, since that does not override the legalities, but to ensure that they're either aware or can report instances of improper attribution to me.

Which brings us to Pikipedia. Should I reuse materials from this wiki for projects (namely PikloDex, but possibly Mariopedia for some Pikmin stuff too), I am open to being consulted here as necessary or be asked to attribute images and other content appropriately and in a legal manner, just in case something wasn't done appropriately. I do not want to be caught in the crosshairs of DMCA's (though I think the host handles them, unsure). I'm not going on Discord to discuss this: I hate that platform; it's too chaotic and unruly when such conversations should be taken seriously and handled in a professional manner.

I was just wondering if you wanted to be one of the de-facto diplomats to me from Pikipedia regarding the use of its materials (which could include your screenshots). I've extended my services by offering the Pikipedia community at large with assistance on whatever they might need. And that includes moving all of my work from the Fandom wiki over to here.

Results May Vary (talk) 11:23, June 1, 2025 (EDT)

As you said, this is quite the long message. Just acknowledging I am still an active user here, and I will reply to this when I have the time (hopefully later today). Thanks for understanding! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 11:48, June 1, 2025 (EDT)

Greetings, Gem, welcome to Pikipedia (or, I noticed you have 6,000-something edits - I didn't know you used to edit here - so welcome back)!
I see how the NIWA complaints you had could have caused some issues, it's unfortunate things turned out that way. A tad irrelevant, but I too am a large MonoBook fan; it's really pretty on Pikipedia with the cute background.
I struggle to properly interpret some things for whatever reason, but the message I'm getting is that you're trying to keep the peace and ensure all assets are rightfully attributed, and you're letting this user, "Gematarix Jr.", edit on your private wikis for the sake of them not causing issues with NIWA wikis. You also would like to use this wiki's materials on your wikis like PikloDex, and would like to have my support as being a diplomat to make that material reuse easier. Is that correct (my apologies if not)?
In reply to your proposal (or at least my hopefully correct interpretation of it), I'm not sure if I'd like to be a diplomat, and I'm not sure if one would be needed; when Dark Lord Revan displayed the licence a while ago, did it actually say that the approval of the uploader of an image, for example, was needed as long as the image was attributed? I didn't think it did, but perhaps it was changed. If you don't need approval of people here to use our material, it seems the only reason you'd ask is kindness, which I respect. If you do, I wouldn't be the one to give it to you as I'm fairly low on the figurative totem pole here, but I see what you mean for making me a diplomat. I support your other wikis as a sort of passive mediator for people who don't align with Fandom or NIWA to edit (or something of the sort), but isn't the point of those wikis to edit them? Like, you intend to use the screenshots here for the content quality of your wiki, but if the point of the wiki is really more of a place for people to edit than something intended to help the community as an encyclopaedia (which is just my perception but maybe not the case), what is the point of reusing screenshots? While I respect the value of having good content quality, I fundamentally disagree with the act of reusing someone else's work on wikis like these, because, to me at least, the joy is in the editing itself, the procurement of images, the writing of descriptions and guides, not copying something over. I don't intend to sound distasteful, just, if you've made a wiki with more of a priority to be edited than to be viewed as a guide or documentary site by casuals of the topic, why try to organise diplomacy with others for assistance in areas that would most thoroughly help wikis that are mostly intended to be viewed, rather than ones like yours which are mostly intended for editing?
Perhaps I misinterpreted things, and if I did, I apologise. The other way I'd see it is that you see this as a trade; you'd support this community if we support yours, which makes sense, and I appreciate your offer, but isn't the purpose of your community to have its members support it itself for the fun of it, rather than have it use content from another wiki? Maybe you're trying to turn PikloDex into a more formal encyclopaedia and what I said about it having "more of a priority to be edited rather than to be viewed" was false. This makes it more understandable for why you'd want to use our images in return for your Fandom content, but now I have another set of qualms; why is it necessary to have three wikis for the same subject? Even if one is effectively desolate and in relatively poor content condition, two functional, public wikis for one topic is inherently redundant and a waste of effort. If you want to edit PikloDex for the fun of editing and having your own wiki control (as well as ensuring Gem Jr won't cause a fit), I completely support that, but trying to make it another high-quality Pikmin wiki will just be a waste of effort, at least how I see it. Here's my logic (I used this to justify moving to Pikipedia in the first place): say you have any number of towers, and work on the towers makes them taller. The taller a tower, the more it helps the community in some quantifiable factor, but all towers that are not the sole tallest will have their score negated. Each wiki is a tower, and work from editors makes them taller. Less powerful wikis will effectively be negligible to the community, because the community wants to use what's best for them, and most of the time "best" is objective in this sense (a lot of viewers care a lot more about whether or not the wiki actually has full and well-documented content, not specifics like aesthetic, and the former is objective), so why do anything public other than bettering the tallest tower? What I'm saying is, if you're trying to make another wiki with the purpose of rivalling Pikipedia, I will not be of aid in that endeavour because I do not support that; it's a waste of effort (why spend a bunch of time making wiki content that already exists when you could benefit the Pikmin community as a whole by making new content) and divides communities unnecessarily. However, if PikloDex is solely for the purpose of being a place to edit Pikmin content for the fun of editing and to stop people like Gem Jr from bothering NIWA wikis, I totally support it but wonder why you'd want images from here in the first place.
Apologies if my message was ever unclear of if I just misinterpreted the entire thing in the first place (sounds like something I would do); as poor an excuse it is, my brain just didn't work exceptionally well there. Also, if I ever seemed hostile, that was not my intention and was a product of written text's lack of tone. I have some fairly thorough opinions on this matter, but I have absolutely no interest in causing a fight, as I'm sure is the case with pretty much everyone else relevant to this discussion. Additionally, please keep in mind that a lot of the things written here are my personal opinion; for matters such as whether or not Pikipedia is fine with letting you borrow our images, I'm not very knowledgeable on licences and the like and also am a basic editor; I'd talk to one of the administrators for their takes on reusing content before making a decision (I realise your intention was to get me to help you talk to them as a diplomat, which I'm not inherently objected to provided you give a compelling case for why that's necessary or mutually useful; what I was trying to say here is that you should not take my word as official ground to do something like reuse images on). Well then, pleasure discussing these topics with you! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 18:50, June 1, 2025 (EDT)

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Yeah, I did huge image clean up years before you began editing. Espyo said it was the "leftovers" but it was help nonetheless.

I guess you could say "permission," or as I'd put it, lack of hostilities or division, since the license is the only legal terms to apply to. I wanted to help this wiki not for trading, but because I don't like it on the Fandom Pikmin wiki. I've also been unable to shut up that I feel it within myself to owe you all the hard work I did, since I was the jerk, I was more angry and upset that I should've been, and I wish I hadn't stopped you from doing a third fork. I'm literally kicking myself.

Public editing and registration is disabled on all wikis I do. I do have fun on them, which I prioritize over completion (I'm a "quality over quantity" type of guy), but with such restrictions, I think that's a clue that I'm aware no one would edit, read, or care about the wikis. :P It's not a rival. I'd allow Pikipedia to reuse from there if there some unique stuff. If it were a rival, that wouldn't make sense either since I've offered my support to this wiki. And I'm not even in the mainstream, DM'ing with other users, so everything I say and do is out here in plain sight.

Did this clear things up a bit more? Results May Vary (talk) 20:38, June 1, 2025 (EDT)

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I see.
So, you're trying to make it so this wiki and PikloDex effectively are a sort of amalgam where content can be reused from one on the other at any time? Maybe that's not the case, but you said lack of division, and that's the message I got (I maybe took it to too far of an extreme). You say you don't like it on PFandom, but isn't that the point of PDex; a place for you to edit without Revan's presence, or something like that?
I understand that you feel sort of guilty about the Fandom events last summer; if it makes you feel any better I could have executed things a lot smoother but just kind of didn't haha, I'm not entirely sure what I was thinking. If editing here makes you feel better, I encourage you to do so, but I am completely honest when I say that you doing that isn't going to relieve any grudge I have against you, because I don't have a grudge against you lmao. I'd also say that there isn't a ton the wiki needs help with; take my perception with a grain of salt as I don't exactly pore over the maintenance categories or anything, but things are certainly a lot more in order here than they were back on the Fandom. I do think you're a really valuable editor, from your unmatched dedication to immaculate edit quality, so I think if a new game was released you'd be a huge help amidst the potential content chaos, but I don't think there's a ton to do here now. Doesn't mean you can't do it, I'm just saying it'd be cool to edit alongside you if a new game gets released.
Yeah, I see how it's not and won't be a rival. If your goal is to make the wikis have free content exchange, considering yours is private I wouldn't be objected to the idea, I might even advocate for it, but you said it yourself, fun is the priority, so wouldn't it make more sense for you and your wikians to just add the images yourself? But yeah, I see the value in a wiki connection, perhaps solely based on the value of your editing skills and the fact that this diplomacy would make it so your edits over on PDex would also work here, saving some time (for example, if you were writing the page for a cave in the event of a new game, you'd only have to write it on PDex for it to also apply on Pedia), so that might be something I'd be willing to serve as a diplomat for and talk to Espyo or Soprano about it or something (my one qualm with that idea would be Pikipedian content being used on PDex, which I could see others having an issue with also, but it doesn't matter a ton to me as it's a private wiki). I don't want to appear any more foolish to them than I already did last year (I tried to have CZ, that troll from the Fandom (I prosecuted him twice with like 30 cumulative paragraphs and his only alibi is completely unsubstantiated, I can show you the proof lmao), blocked on here when he moved here, and while I don't think it was that problematic, I was a bit pushy perhaps), so we shouldn't be at all demanding or anything if we are to talk to them.
If I were to weigh the options, my thought process is that it would be good to have content from PDex over here in the event of a new game because it would save time and you have good edits, but complete openness between the two wikis would likely cause a lot of issues, with editors not wanting the stuff they write/upload used on another site, regardless of the site's publicity. (If you haven't noticed yet, my messages are basically massive pontifications until I come to a conclusion I think works.) After considering all of this, I don't believe I'd advocate for complete content openness, but occasional exchanges sound nice to a degree (when I say "to a degree", I mean that I think we see eye to eye in the sense that editing is fun, so I don't personally see much of a value in using someone else's content because it's the journey that's enjoyable; despite this I find the idea of two separate wikis making the same content separately a bit silly, but considering PDex is private it makes a bit more sense). I know you said you don't really want trades, but I personally wouldn't mind, say, you reusing 10 of my screenshots in order for you to write a smallish page here or something. All of this is pretty tentative and also just my personal opinion, hence why I italicised "personally". Ultimately, I see the value in a more open content scheme between the two wikis but I think it could cause some problems, so while I think it should be considered to some degree I don't want to upset anyone by taking things too far. Sorry for the massive jabbering, I hope that helps you get my understanding of the topic. I may have already asked this, but I'd appreciate if you could give a fairly simple answer on why content exchanges or lack of content division is valuable (effectively, why does any content reuse need to happen), considering that you and I both think the fun of the content is in the journey of making the content itself. Thanks! (No, I'm not going to revise this, hope it makes sense! ^^) Deeb1324354657 (talk) 00:37, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

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Yeah, DLR is the worst. Not a 2000s Newgrounds.com bro that I thought he was based on his avatar. He got reaaaal triggered when I dropped hard truths calling him a failure, a zombie, and stated that Pikipedia will always be superior, lmfao. I almost made an article titled "Dark Lord Revan" on Pikmin Wiki calling him Pikipedia's bitch. Nobody will miss that guy or show sympathies for him being a wuss who can't run a wiki, quell situations, or provide a good experience for his staff members (Lucas Mario understood why I was upset and highly stressed of last year). To this extent, I even made an edit of a Mortal Kombat fatality screenshot that shows the victor, represented by a Pikipedia logo, holding DLR's head, since he's totally PWNed. One of Revan's monthly newsletters had zero comments and participation support, and I encourage others to keep it that way. It weren't for Revan, I wouldn't have been inspired to make a getaway area, and I've said that Pikipedia is justified if not to get away from that guy alone (and because I get why people would miss MonoBook and other customizable skin options).

"Diplomat" doesn't mean affiliation; it just means managing relations with other wikis, without necessarily having to acknowledge them directly. As for content reuse, when I do so, chances are that it could look drastically different from the origin source by shuffling sections around, which is one odd way how it can become fun. Results May Vary (talk) 04:29, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

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When he was "reaaaal triggered", what did he say? But I fundamentally disagree with you here, at least to a degree. He's not a bad person, nor is he really deserving of the rant you've left here; I see how it's a similar situation to what happened with my leave that you feel kind of betrayed, but I think it would benefit everyone if you calmed down a bit. I strongly agree that he didn't put in the work a bureaucrat should, not at all, but I don't think that makes him a bad person. In doing very little, he's made so many enemies, and it's really quite funny. I agree that he doesn't provide a great staff experience (in terms of his ability to quell situations like you said, I'd beg to differ; he's pretty good at stopping them when he's there) just by not being a great or encouraging leader, but like, if he wasn't even a bureaucrat nothing would be expected of him and no one would hate him. He does more now than he did when I was admin, so I appreciate his effort, but I think the unfortunate (for him) reality of the matter is that giving up the bureaucrat role or improving the wiki to substantiate his bureaucrat rights would make people a lot less hostile towards him. People want a leader who they know is hard working; for example, Espyo has 45,000 edits, Soprano has 11,000, and Revan had about 600 before he reverted some of your deletions and gained another 1,000. I just think people are less likely to respect Revan because he's not particularly active in the community and doesn't edit very much, and I think respect of a leader is the most important thing for people actually following that leader. If he wasn't expected to move to Pikipedia in the 2014 fork, or if he wasn't expected to work more on the site all throughout the past two years of our cumulative activity, people wouldn't be mad at him, and he'd only not be expected to do those things if he was a normal user. The counterargument is that he just wants to be left alone and keep his Fandom site to himself, however dead it is, but that's just not how you manage a public wiki. I think you're too aggressive on the issue, and I don't think public lack of respect for Revan is because of what he does, it's rather because of what he doesn't do. I just think it would be better for him if he had standard user rights, because when you're not willing to do very much for the community, if you're the sole person in power, people aren't going to respect you. I do support him as just some guy who owns the wiki and wants to not have any drama or just be behind the scenes completely, but I think his wish for that actively contradicts with his self-perpetuating role as bureaucrat - people who want to talk about wiki splits, Pikipedia moves, any intra-wiki discourse, or stuff like that, are going to come to him, but he talks about how he just wants to be left alone when it comes to at least the first two of that list. It's sort of that he wants to have his cake and eat it too; being sole bureaucrat - having executive power - and not getting approached about matters relevant to the wiki and those similar to it are just two occurrences that I think are pretty unlikely to happen at the same time, but it's what he seems to want or even expect. I don't really care; it's not like I associate with him and you don't have to either, so I think it's most productive for you if you stop caring also, you're just wasting your time being mad about stuff that isn't really important anymore. I respect him as a person and I respect his boundaries, I just personally see his philosophy on power and its correlation to responsibility to be a bit flawed. (I also feel bad about how I bugged him about being bureaucrat when I was admin and don't want to make him dislike me any further lol)
I mean sure, I'd do some help with relations management, but I don't really feel like I'm high enough in power here to be of much use in that regard. I will let you know that I am not going to make any drastic (or even probably small) decisions when it comes to content exchanges without talking to staff here, so I'm not really sure what use I'll be as a diplomat, but I wouldn't mind tentatively discussing any matters between the two wikis when the need arises. I see what you mean by the fun of content reuse, I suppose. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:02, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, basically there's nothing good to say about DLR. The reason why I was fooled by low edit count is because "oh he's prob like Porplemontage, who only fixes and maintains the wiki." Otherwise I'd have not been happy about it.

Look at the Fire article and Hazard articles. Aren't they cute? Memories from a year ago. :D Results May Vary (talk) 12:07, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, it's cool for nostalgia, but I don't believe other editors would want Fandom content on here. I think we should talk with staff before doing something like that, so I'm going to revert the changes. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:18, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Sorry, it's nothing personal, I hope you're not offended, I just don't want to cause any problems with editors here. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:24, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

I'm not offended, though since two forks happened before, I don't know why anyone would complain about editors agreeing to put their own work over into this wiki, especially since independent wikis have a goal to be free of Fandom. Results May Vary (talk) 12:35, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Fair enough, I just want to think things through a bit more; copying things over without much discussion could accidentally omit content if the new copy doesn't have that, so I didn't want to risk anything. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:48, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Okay, you saw Espyo said: I cannot talk if it's not related to improving Pikipedia, so I apologize for any disruptive communication. :( Results May Vary (talk) 13:20, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Yep

There she is, Ed the Horse, the user I mentioned in messages above. Results May Vary (talk) 08:02, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

When did she create the account? Deeb1324354657 (talk) 12:18, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

This morning. Results May Vary (talk) 12:33, June 2, 2025 (EDT)

Where I've been

Apologies Deeb for the lateness of my reply, to answer your question: I'm very much still around on the internet (places like YouTube, this wiki and BlueSky), just chose to leave Discord as I wasn't that active in the few servers I was in anyways. As for leaving Fandom, that was down to multiple issues with the site as well as fatigue. Glad to see you are still here also! Italic text

Hey Deeb it’s me picked

Really miss you. Like a lot. I’ll try to get back as soon as I can. Make a Roblox account and add me (Pro0planter, my avater is a guy with a anti whale shirt) 73.35.74.4 23:49, July 3, 2025 (EDT)

Hi! I will look into getting roblox to talk more reliably! Deeb1324354657 (talk) 00:27, July 4, 2025 (EDT)

Hi

Okay, so I'm aware Espyo said this isn't a chatting grounds. That's why I asked if I can use this platform here exclusively to communicate about either the project or Pikmin wikis.

This time I'm talking about how Fx venny hasn't gotten back to me over the Sunseed Berry page on Pikmin Wiki on Fandom. The reason I experimented with that new format of bullet list is because I think less prose could help on an ad-filled commercial platform like Fandom, at least in the case of acquiring treasures. It shows the sequence order: Location, Acquisition, Weight value, and maximum carriers.

I haven't seen Fx venny even though I tried to discuss the matter on Axolotl wiki. If he wants to curate treasure pages, I'd probably advise doing so with more prose on a wiki that isn't on Fandom, for a reason that I mentioned above. Now it's not directly related to the Pikipedia project, so I probably couldn't go on about it too in-depth here, but that'd probably mean it's my responsibility to find a solution if I believe the treasure pages on the Fandom wiki need less prose.

I think ultimately we're in this together. I'm not the type of guy who wants to do something back-handed to Fx Venny. I remember he really liked some the treasure page stuff I did, and I feel him. At the same time, it would probably need to be in a place that isn't perceived as disruptive to Pikipedia's endeavors of being the main go-to for Pikmin information. I wouldn't be surprised if someone advised him not to edit the Fandom wiki, since he's declined in activity there. Results May Vary (talk) 11:13, July 6, 2025 (EDT)

Espyo hasn't yet confirmed it's okay to chat here, and I still don't think we need to have this conversation on this wiki as it doesn't explicitly relate to Pikipedia. I'll repost and reply on your Fandom MW. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 21:34, July 6, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, it's difficult since you go like 2-3 weeks missing at times, lol. I did a response again. Results May Vary (talk) 23:00, July 6, 2025 (EDT)

Reminder from your favorite pick man

We can chat on Roblox (unbanned) and you can also get vc if u connect ur number. Also I found my switch 2 (lost it when I bought it day 1) so if u have one we can do gamer chat!!!!!! Miss u 73.35.74.4 16:29, July 18, 2025 (EDT)

espyo

Hi, did you see some my latest msg's to Espyo? I'm still abiding by the rules of "chatting grounds" carefully. To be honest, I think it's cool he said to me to stop editing Pikmin fandom outright, and I'll explain: I know things kind of tumbled when I tried here, but he's like that leader who uses the whistle to get the workers to contribute in one place. In the context of Pikmin, that's what a true leader does, so it fits the tone of the series.

I'm incredibly grateful we're not on bad terms. Not all wikis have shown grace toward me. I worried you and this wiki's community wouldn't when I logged on for the first time in a few years. We're still technically supposed to be (I'm NOT saying we should be), considering I'm staunch about alternative venues and innovations with coverage on topics. I'm just extremely fortunate that the situation all worked out in the end.

But Pikmin, the Fandom wiki's dead in the water, DLR's got it in a bind to the very end, there isn't much controversy over how to do the stuff on this wiki, and Pikmin is more your niche than mine (despite all the crazy hard work I've done). That was a very embarrassing misunderstanding among all of us, in certain ways, and awkward. Not everything is straightforward--I learned that on the NIWA side and the Fandom side alike.

The compromise is that if I do Pikmin coverage, it's through unorthodox venues like Mario, or even Zelda if I can find an excuse there. :P

p.s. Since Espyo told me to stop editing the Fandom wiki, is it possible to encourage Fx to do so as well, or rather add Pikmin in "unorthodox" spaces like I am? Espyo's the "leader" after all. Results May Vary (talk) 18:58, August 11, 2025 (EDT)

I saw them a while ago and just read your new ones. Yeah, Espyo is a good leader and he knows what's best for the community.
I don't like holding grudges on people when they're not actively offensive, simply enough. It's nice we're not fighting anymore, I thoroughly agree.
I don't understand why you celebrate Revan getting screwed over. Again, it doesn't make your life any better to hate him; while I don't understand his rationale on the matter and I think the Pikmin community is better as a whole with the Fandom being minimally edited, he's not a bad guy and he's not done bad things. But we don't need to discuss this matter any more than we already have. I would agree that Pikmin is my niche; I don't edit nearly as thoroughly anywhere else. Yeah, not everything is straightforward, and that's an important lesson to learn.
If you're doing Pikmin coverage where it doesn't detract from Pikipedia, I support that.
I can try to talk to Fx. I think they would maybe do the same as you, since they seem to share the mentality of being fine editing Pikmin into a vacuum and doing it mostly because it's fun. Perhaps you should recommend PikloDex to them.
I also believe a handful of people would like it if we could stop discussing this matter here, or even in general; the moderate-sized migration from Fandom to Pikipedia was over a year ago and there doesn't seem to be much to say that hasn't already been said. Thanks. Additionally, I know I'm slow to reply on Fandom, but it's always in the back of my mind. I'd appreciate it if you could just reach out to me there and wait until I respond, as our discussion here clogs up S:RC. Alternatively, maybe you could get Discord solely for DMs with me or a few others, but I know you're not fond of the site. Deeb1324354657 (talk) 13:50, August 12, 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, I look terrible to this wiki community already...in part due to my inherent "oafish" personality and inability to blend in well.

DLR masqueraded as a Newgrounds-esque bro and rap-loving gamer with his avatar, but was a lot more unresponsive and apathetic than I'd thought. In my world that is wholly unacceptable. You admitted, I think, that he doesn't look after the ppl who work in his areas. I thought he was a lost relative of porple, lol, and thought that his founder status and focus of the edits on maintaining and presenting the site structure was comparable to being the host of a wiki (a la porple). Otherwise, I would've been suspicious from the start.

I do agree there isn't much to say on the matter, I just wanted to point out some my latest msg's to Espyo, and things sort of slid out of hand yet again. Rest assured, I'm trying to amend this issue others have with what I'm doing by asking Espyo if he's okay with emails (which I can moderate the quantities of), as he listed on his user page; just awaiting for approval. I was in his friends list historically--I don't believe he ever unfriended (unlike 75%+), it's just I had left.

Also, Fx actually wanted PikloDex and I let Fx have an account. Me and Fx both like editing "into a vacuum." I'm not in control over who edits the Fandom wiki and where, but Espyo gave the order to not touch it at all; therefore, I just assumed the same would go for anyone whom Pikipedia or somebody else can get in contact with. We must ensure the great misunderstanding and conflict never occurs again, especially when Pikmin 5 comes out. Results May Vary (talk) 15:21, August 12, 2025 (EDT)