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As well as new policy, you may propose changes to or removal of existing policy in the same manner.
As well as new policy, you may propose changes to or removal of existing policy in the same manner.


==Headers — Styling or Not?==
==Capitalization==
"egg" and "Egg"; "blue Pikmin" and "Blue Pikmin"; "lithopod" and "Lithopod". The games aren't consistent with capitalizations, but neither are we. For instance, some games have no problem naming a Pikmin color in lowercase while others write them in title case every time, as if their life depended on it. After thinking about it for a bit, I realized why this is. And I've figured we should be consistent about the way we capitalize the names. I've cooked up the following policy sketch, and I need everybody to say whether they agree or not. Please don't be biased and go like "but I've always written X in a Y style, so it must be correct!". Let's move forward and try to perfect the global capitalization style!


While I know that there has already been a proposal about this, I deem it necessary to re-evaluate the issue. For one, the issue was not thoroughly discussed; for another, no real '''reasons''' were provided to back up the claim.
:In the ''Pikmin'' series, normal capitalization for some subjects' names is sometimes inconsistent. As a result, Pikipedia capitalizes these names using some community-decided rules. The general rule of thumb is that in-game, when names are presented in titles (the [[lock-on]] HUD, a [[Piklopedia]] entry name, etc.), they are written in a title case style, regardless of that being the case in normal text or not. This can also be the case for when a keyword needs to be highlighted, as the capitalization helps bring out attention. Because some names are not seen in normal text, and because of the aforementioned inconsistency, it is unknown whether the "normal" capitalization is in title case or lowercase, for most names. Hence, the following rules were created based on common sense, text style and community agreements:


Now, we italicise game titles everywhere and thus we can avoid using 'Pikmin 1' in text because italics make it clear that a game is being referred back to. But not in headers? Why this inconsistency? Furthermore, we do link to the pages that are about the games in the text. Why not in the headers? There they will be more visible and easier to reach for everyone. I also think that, if there is a header with a game's title in it, the header should be the ''only'' place the link should be placed in the entire article. This is to, yet again, make sure the link is as visible as possible. Now, I do not want any of this 'because it's bad'-garb. I want actual arguments backing up your claims.
:;Proper nouns:
:''Title case''. [[Wikipedia:Proper noun|Proper nouns]] are to always be written in title case. It should be clear what things are given proper names, like [[area]]s, [[caves]], and characters.


===Support===
:;Species:
*{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} Per Proposal.
:''Title case''. This applies to [[Pikmin family|Pikmin type]] names and [[enemy]] species names (e.g. "Yellow Pikmin", "Beady Long Legs"). These names are of the most glaring examples of incosistency in the series. Although in the real world, species names are commonly written in lowercase, fans of the series are accostumed to seeing them written in title case; this is more accentuated because of [[Enemy#Boss|bosses]], in which their uniqueness almost makes it look like their species name is their proper name.
*— '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' I was always in favor of this. Basically agreed with the proposal. Also, it'll help with the "Pikmin 1" vs "''Pikmin''" thing.
*{{User:PikminFanatic23/sig}} - I've seen several Wikipedia article titles with italicised game names in them (such as ''Pikmin''), so why not follow Wikipedia's example? I approve.
*[[User:Miles|Miles]] Because it's bad.


===Oppose===
:;Families:
*[[User:Locke|Locke]] ([[User talk:Locke|talk]]) Italicizing game titles for consistency between Pikmin and Pikmin 1 makes sense, but I think including links in headers is bad from a web design standpoint.  First, links look different.  Adding green to some headers violates the CRAP principle of '''repetition'''. In short, it blurs the identities of both "what is a header" and "what is a link".  All headers are black; that's a trait that identifies them as headers.  Throw in a few green ones and they'll be unsettling if not confusing.  Second, it would confuse '''efficacy'''.  There's a clear sense of what a reader can do with a header: use it to locate and/or identify the proceeding section of text.  If some of these are clickable, it changes the function of a header into something that isn't so clear. Now, I'm not saying that users are stupid and won't be able to figure out what's a link and what's not, but it will be unsettling.  I don't think more visibility for some links is worth damaging users' efficacy.  Why is it so important to improve link visibility anyway?
:''Lowercase''. The names of [[:Category:Families|families]] should be written in lowercase, as is the case in the real world. This capitalization is normally seen in the games as well.
*[[User:Prezintenden|Prez]] - Would look horrible


===Comments===
:;Objects:
This policy proposal has been up for most of a month now and most of the users have put in their opinion. I say we go ahead and institute it. Besides, more users support it than users who oppose it... {{User:PikminFanatic23/sig}}
:''Lowercase''. As written above, the name of most plain objects is sometimes written in title case because they are commonly named in a title setting. For objects that are common throughout a game and do not have a major impact on gameplay, their names should be in lowercase. This mirrors the way it is in the real world &ndash; humans don't capitalize the word "[[Wikipedia:Egg|egg]]" or [[Wikipedia:Gate|gate]]" for no reason. This includes, but is not limited to: [[hazards]], [[obstacles]], [[spray]]s, [[nectar egg]]s, [[nectar]], [[rubble]], [[bomb rock]]s and [[geyser]]s.


:Hmm, well, I didn't vote yet because, in my opinion, headers with links wouldn't look good, but I can't think of a way to explain why. It seems, though, that everyone (except maybe Prez) agrees with italics in headers, and I'm for it too, so I'm fine with putting that through.  PikFan, do you even agree with links?  You only mention italics in your support comment.
:;Important objects:
:''Title case''. Objects that are clearly of high importance should be written in title case. Common sense can and should be employed in these cases. For instance, [[ship part]]s, [[treasure]]s and [[fruit]]s are all of great importance, and it is clear that they are given proper names by [[Olimar]], the [[Hocotate ship]] and the [[Koppai]]tes.


:I take it links and italics are the only styling we would use (bold and underline don't make sense anyway, and we wouldn't use any other styling even in body text (apart from in informal contexts, like strikethrough on Pikipedia: pages)).  I'm adding it for italics now, then, but I'll leave links for the moment (5 for, 3 against isn't exactly a consensus). <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 15:21, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
:;Simple words:
:''Lowercase''. For words that do not deserve or need any specific capitalization, they should be written in lowercase like any normal text. This means that words like "[[leader]]" (and "captain"), "[[day]]", "[[area]]", "[[cave]]", etc. should not be needlessly written in title case.


:Edit: regarding italics in page titles, this is of course only as displayed, and not actually embedded in the stored title.  Therefore, page titles should be such that they are unambiguous without the formatting - pages like 'Category: Pikmin 1' should stay where they are.  This is so that you know exactly what a page is when you see it listed in recent changes, or a category, or the category links at the bottom of an article.
:;Special cases:
:*The word "Pikmin", whether it's referring to a game or the Pikmin family, must always be written in title case.


:It would be inconsistent, though, for an different title to show up on the page itself (through DISPLAYTITLE - as in, you would see 'Category: ''Pikmin''' when viewing the page, but still see 'Category: Pikmin 1' in listings), so we shouldn't have italics in page titles. Anyone disagree? <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 15:33, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
:For the purpose of clarity, "title case" refers to names in which the first letter of each "non-minor" word is capitalized (e.g. "This Text is Written in Title Case Style"), and "lowercase" means that the words all start with a lowercase letter. Naturally, the names of subjects at the start of sentences, headers, etc. always start with an uppercase letter, with [[e-Reader|very few exceptions]]. Although the rules above exist for cases where the games cannot clearly label whether something should be written in title case or not, the community may create exception cases. These exceptions and their reasoning can normally be found in the subject's talk page.


::Okay, well, firstly, I don't really mind having links in headers. Secondly, I was only thinking having italicised titles on actual articles, not category pages. Besides, Wikipedia (yes, another Wikipedia reference) doesn't italicise their category titles. If we italicised the page "Pikmin (game)" it would show up as "''Pikmin'' (game)", but in the Recent Changes it would be the same. So we only italicise actual article titles, not including category titles, etc. And of course having bold/underline in headers would not make any sense; I've seen bold headers on Pikmin Fanon and they look... weird. So let's not even go down that road... {{User:PikminFanatic23/sig}}
Those are my thoughts. What do you think? &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 12:17, 18 December 2014 (EST)


:::Hmm, I guess that makes sense - still have the full title, but italicise the part of it that needs it, if any.  Sounds reasonable; <s>I'll add it to the policy page</s>.  With bold/underline, I was more thinking because titles are already bold/underlined. <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 15:35, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
===Support===
*&mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' Proposer.


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===Oppose===


I am going to assume that we can go ahead and put this policy into effect, as this proposal has been up for more than six months. {{User:PikminFanatic23/sig}}
===Comments===
 
:1. a policy proposal being old does not mean everyone agrees on it; 2. I added part of it months ago (just allowing italics in headings).  The only other thing is links, for which it seems there's no real consensus (I'm against them, but haven't voted against because I'm not against italics). <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 18:19, 10 January 2013 (EST)
 
::Thanks for clearing that up; I was confused. I'll go ahead and begin italicising all headers that have game names in them, then. {{User:PikminFanatic23/sig}}
 
==File names?==
Shoud we, like Wikipedia, relocaet inapropriate file names?  I see your previuos domain now [http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Template:INF hosts] a template (by the way, that domain is a mess now).  It seems rather strange to hav files named '''File:001.jpg''' or '''File:ajksf;ljwioe8.png''' floating around.  And even if I`m not allowed to vote because I`m not logged in, can you at least take a look at it?  What file name is better: '''File:6.jpg''', or '''File:Captain Olimar.jpg'''?  --[[Special:Contributions/173.70.30.125|173.70.30.125]] 07:15, 28 July 2012 (EDT)
 
:Up until now, we've just not really bothered moving already-uploaded ones, because people don't actually often see the file description page - either the image embedded in a page, or the file itself.  We'd also have to edit a load of pages to fix changed names (unless there's such a thing as file redirects, I guess, but that wouldn't be much better than crazy names).  That's my opinion, anyway - anyone else? <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 04:55, 29 July 2012 (EDT)
 
::There ''are'' file redirects, and replacing filenames on many articles at once can be done using [[Special:ReplaceText]] ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text extension] - a very useful one that I recommend installing regardless). I don't mind either way though. {{User:Locke/Sig}} 09:17, 30 July 2012 (EDT)
 
:::That looks pretty nice.  RegEx is great.  I was a bit dubious until I read that it shows you a confirmation screen listing pages and the changes it will make, so yeah.  I'll see if we can get it installed, then I'm all for this (don't expect to see me doing the renaming, but whoever does, make a list of them and I'll get to cleaning the links up at some point, leaving a redirect in the meantime).
 
:::Anyway, we haven't really been strict about file names, and as I said, I don't think we need to be, but if many are interested, we can set this up at [[pikipedia:current projects]]. <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 16:08, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Revision as of 13:17, December 18, 2014

Archived proposals can be found at Pikipedia:Policy/past proposals.

This page is used to propose policy to be put into place at Pikipedia. To make a proposal, create a new section with an appropriate title, followed by a summary of the proposal and your reasons. Next, create 'support', 'oppose' and 'comments' subsections and sign your name under 'support'. Other users can then sign their support or opposition, optionally making extra comments, and the policy will be implemented if it gets enough support.

As well as new policy, you may propose changes to or removal of existing policy in the same manner.

Capitalization

"egg" and "Egg"; "blue Pikmin" and "Blue Pikmin"; "lithopod" and "Lithopod". The games aren't consistent with capitalizations, but neither are we. For instance, some games have no problem naming a Pikmin color in lowercase while others write them in title case every time, as if their life depended on it. After thinking about it for a bit, I realized why this is. And I've figured we should be consistent about the way we capitalize the names. I've cooked up the following policy sketch, and I need everybody to say whether they agree or not. Please don't be biased and go like "but I've always written X in a Y style, so it must be correct!". Let's move forward and try to perfect the global capitalization style!

In the Pikmin series, normal capitalization for some subjects' names is sometimes inconsistent. As a result, Pikipedia capitalizes these names using some community-decided rules. The general rule of thumb is that in-game, when names are presented in titles (the lock-on HUD, a Piklopedia entry name, etc.), they are written in a title case style, regardless of that being the case in normal text or not. This can also be the case for when a keyword needs to be highlighted, as the capitalization helps bring out attention. Because some names are not seen in normal text, and because of the aforementioned inconsistency, it is unknown whether the "normal" capitalization is in title case or lowercase, for most names. Hence, the following rules were created based on common sense, text style and community agreements:
Proper nouns
Title case. Proper nouns are to always be written in title case. It should be clear what things are given proper names, like areas, caves, and characters.
Species
Title case. This applies to Pikmin type names and enemy species names (e.g. "Yellow Pikmin", "Beady Long Legs"). These names are of the most glaring examples of incosistency in the series. Although in the real world, species names are commonly written in lowercase, fans of the series are accostumed to seeing them written in title case; this is more accentuated because of bosses, in which their uniqueness almost makes it look like their species name is their proper name.
Families
Lowercase. The names of families should be written in lowercase, as is the case in the real world. This capitalization is normally seen in the games as well.
Objects
Lowercase. As written above, the name of most plain objects is sometimes written in title case because they are commonly named in a title setting. For objects that are common throughout a game and do not have a major impact on gameplay, their names should be in lowercase. This mirrors the way it is in the real world – humans don't capitalize the word "egg" or gate" for no reason. This includes, but is not limited to: hazards, obstacles, sprays, nectar eggs, nectar, rubble, bomb rocks and geysers.
Important objects
Title case. Objects that are clearly of high importance should be written in title case. Common sense can and should be employed in these cases. For instance, ship parts, treasures and fruits are all of great importance, and it is clear that they are given proper names by Olimar, the Hocotate ship and the Koppaites.
Simple words
Lowercase. For words that do not deserve or need any specific capitalization, they should be written in lowercase like any normal text. This means that words like "leader" (and "captain"), "day", "area", "cave", etc. should not be needlessly written in title case.
Special cases
  • The word "Pikmin", whether it's referring to a game or the Pikmin family, must always be written in title case.
For the purpose of clarity, "title case" refers to names in which the first letter of each "non-minor" word is capitalized (e.g. "This Text is Written in Title Case Style"), and "lowercase" means that the words all start with a lowercase letter. Naturally, the names of subjects at the start of sentences, headers, etc. always start with an uppercase letter, with very few exceptions. Although the rules above exist for cases where the games cannot clearly label whether something should be written in title case or not, the community may create exception cases. These exceptions and their reasoning can normally be found in the subject's talk page.

Those are my thoughts. What do you think? — {EspyoT} 12:17, 18 December 2014 (EST)

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