Talk:Unknown family

Related creatures

dose anyone think that some of these might be related to other creatures with no known family?(mitite+smoky progg&mamuta+gatling gronk)

also what dose a mamuta larva look like.

Anything's possible, but I don't think it's very likely. They just don't share enough in common. Also, nobody knows what larval Mamuta look like since they've never been seen any only mentioned once in the enemy reel. We don't really know if Mamuta even have a larval stage. —Jimbo Jambo

Aren't mamuta and smoky progg reated. I think so (the eyes). Solar flute

Mamutas and Smoky Proggs are related. A Smoky Progg appears to be a malformed larval Mamuta, so the 2 enemies are related, Solar flute. — AllPikminCollected 07:28, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

Should I make a drop-down for a unknown Groink family? Fireflinger and Gatling are obviously related in some way. - Redipster

Those creatures are similar, but unlike the Mamuta and Smoky Progg they're not confirmed to be related. If we added sections for creatures that are similar but not confirmed to be related, there could also be a section for the Lumiknoll and Glow Pikmin, since Lumiknolls produce Glow Pikmin, and a section for the Ancient Sirehound and Moss, since they're both space dogs. — Soprano_(talk) 04:53, January 1, 2026 (EST)

Yeah I'll go foward with that soon. - Redipster

My intention with my reply was to say that I'm not sure whether this change should be made. If it was made, then it would probably be necessary to make the other changes I said in my reply as well. Would it be an improvement if this article organized the creatures listed in it into several groups of creatures that aren't confirmed to be related, compared to what it currently does (listing most of the creatures in a single list except for the creatures that are confirmed to be related)? — Soprano_(talk) 19:21, January 7, 2026 (EST)

Ah, my mistake, it would be a good improvement because of the sake of organisation. Because who knows, maybe the Fireflinger is a creature from a entirely different family that us just pretending to be a member of the unknown Groink family? We could put the Ancient Sirehound and Moss together, Glow Pikmin with the Lumiknoll, and maybe the Waterwraith with the Plasm Wraith despite Pikmin 3 DX's Piklopedia note for the Plasm Wraith from Olimar only noting their differences, but they're very similar (Both are liquid-like entities that

are associated with elements in some way) when putting that aside. — Redipster

I personally think the idea of categories for all the creatures that are related could be a good idea. We don't know how many enemies types or species Pikmin 5 will have, but with all the current creatures present in the mainline games (and the ones that are briefly mentionned and/or that don't have names, such as the Spectralids in Hey! Pikmin), it's definitely a good idea to regroup them under more visible categories than their family names, even if we don't have confirmation that all of them are related. We can always come to some form of consensus whether some creatures are related or not at the end of the day — Yaya

Given what the Pikmin have done with stuff like Dwarf Bulborbs and putting the Onions in a different family to the Pikmin, I have to wonder if it might be a bit too speculative to lump creatures in together just because they have similar traits. The Mamuta and Smoky Progg at least have good standing in that regard. So, I'll go with the answer of "cautiously pessimistic" in regards to making a change like the one proposed. Or in other, more binary words, a "No". -Gulliblepikmin 04:57, January 8, 2026 (EST)

I don't think this is a good idea, as it means we're assuming they're related without having direct confirmation from any sources. The Groinks may look and have similar names, but so do the Bulborb and Dwarf Bulborb; the Glow Pikmin and Lumiknolls interact with each other in the same way Pikmin and Onions do, but they aren't in the same family. Unless were explicitly told (or are given clear-subtle evidence such as with the Mamuta-Smoky Progg), then this should be avoided in my opinion – Chazmatron, signing off! (TALK) 11:59, 8 January, 2026 (GMT)

I don't agree with this either. Even if some of these creatures appear to be closely related, you could make the same suggestion for other family articles. For example, giving the grounded and flying Blowhogs separate sections would make about as much sense, but I think you'll agree that it's unnecessary. 2 B (talk) 15:20, January 8, 2026 (EST)

unknown family

I just had a thought, what if the games not saying the family is unknown, but the name of the family is called unknown.Pikmin Theories (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2017 (EST)

Heh. I mean, that's impossible, but it's pretty funny. — {Espyo^T} 15:45, 11 February 2017 (EST)

missing bosses (and offspring)

shouldn't the Scornet, the Maestro, Vehemoth, and Phosbats be added to the list? also, what about creatures with assumed families, like the Crushblat and Slurker? should they be kept since their family is just a guess, or removed since the family's are similar..... (although, technically they could be like the Dwarf Bulborbs, and only mimicking another family......)Pikmin Theories (talk) 23:00, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

Those bosses should be added, yes. The enemies that have assumed families should be mentioned in this article, but not with a big section. I think the best way to do it would be a small section dedicated to listing enemies with no official family, but an assumed one. — {Espyo^T} 08:58, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Moving the Page

For the purpose of realism and immersion, I think the page title should stay the way it is. To me, "creature" is a better term to use than "enemy" because the lifeforms that populate PNF-404 are more than foes--they're animals fighting to survive. What's so different between pikmin and other animals on PNF-404 if they're all just trying to get by? The world presented in the Pikmin games is so much more interesting if it's seen from a different point of view than it just being just another game franchise. Cheepy (talk) 02:13, February 23, 2020 (EST)

I disagree, because enemies are not the only things to have family classification in the Pikmin series. Plants are also classified in the Piklopedia, and even though none of them have no known family, that may change in the future if plants are described in the return of the Piklopedia. (And also, the Ujadani aren't technically enemies and are in the article as well.) Because of this, the use of the more general term 'creatures' is probably better, although other names might also work. - Soprano (talk) 06:45, September 14, 2020 (EDT)

We should note that Flukeweeds, Bloominous Stemples, and other major vegetation with no family aren't recorded here. At it's current state, I think "enemies" would be the most accurate and consistent. However, if someone were to add a seperate header for plants and fungi, and made entries for all the named Pikmin 3 vegetation with no family, it would be a completely different story. - CrazyCow (talk) September 14, 2020

This looks like another case of "let's wait until Pikmin 3 Deluxe comes out and we get to see what's actually in the Piklopedia". - Soprano (talk) 18:52, September 14, 2020 (EDT)

Well, now that Pikmin 3 Deluxe is out, the article has changed significantly. Now, there are only the enemies in P2 and P3D that have 'Unknown family' listed by Olimar, plus the 2 enemies from Pikmin that aren't in later games. I think the best course of action is to create a new article, Unknown family, in the same style as other family articles. (Because who knows; maybe 'Unknown' could be a family name? It's presented in the same way as other family names.) I think this article should stay with its current title, and include the Goolix, Pearly Clamclamp, Puffstool (assumed families shouldn't be in the wiki in my opinion), and the contents of Category:Plants and fungi with no known family. — Soprano_(talk) 01:27, November 19, 2020 (EST)

Well, now that Pikmin 4 is out, the article has changed significantly again, as there are no more enemies that only appear in games with no families. Every enemy now has a specified family, or is marked as "Unknown family". So I think we should rename this article to "Unknown family", and treat it like a normal family article but with the difference that there's no genetic relationship between the creatures in it. — Soprano_(talk) 19:11, July 21, 2023 (EDT)